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Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 16-06-2023 11:07

[BFTF]

In the article posted today (here: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=news&nid=110716) we have gone through the new clash feature and provided some dates regarding the beta. Please read through that article if you haven’t already. We are aware that this might seem like a daunting new feature, so we encourage you to ask questions here if things are unclear. Note that we have intentionally left out information regarding the new federation league table and ranking, to avoid dropping too much information at once. In this thread, we would ideally like to discuss the following things: - How to set your federation first team up to play clashes - How to play clashes - And questions regarding the Beta which will be launched next week (at which point we will also provide more detailed information regarding the beta) Also be aware that we might not be able to answer questions during evenings and weekends, but we will do our best to answer all your questions as quickly as we can.In the article posted today (here: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=news&nid=110716) we have gone through the new clash feature and provided some dates regarding the beta. Please read through that article if you haven’t already.

We are aware that this might seem like a daunting new feature, so we encourage you to ask questions here if things are unclear. Note that we have intentionally left out information regarding the new federation league table and ranking, to avoid dropping too much information at once. In this thread, we would ideally like to discuss the following things:

- How to set your federation first team up to play clashes
- How to play clashes
- And questions regarding the Beta which will be launched next week (at which point we will also provide more detailed information regarding the beta)

Also be aware that we might not be able to answer questions during evenings and weekends, but we will do our best to answer all your questions as quickly as we can.

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Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 19-06-2023 15:48

[BFTF]

Clash matches do not influence form at all.

sid1 wrote:

What influence do the games have on the form of the players?

Clash matches do not influence form at all.

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By sid1 - 19-06-2023 17:22

[AFB]

ok that's fine, thx 👍🏼

powdersnow wrote:

Clash matches do not influence form at all.

ok that's fine, thx 👍🏼

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By webregas - 19-06-2023 20:07

[ENG]

Thank you for the answers. Great to see an active thread again. Interested to see how this new feature plays out and keen to enter the first series to support. Agree that implemented correctly Fed clashes could restore some of the community element that’s dwindled in recents years. Will the Federation clash team selector always be the president? Just thinking for the bigger Feds you run the risk of the president not being in the top sides/ legacy agenda. Much like the NT it would be great if the team captain was elected.(appreciate this probably isn’t a priority in the first roll out).Thank you for the answers. Great to see an active thread again.

Interested to see how this new feature plays out and keen to enter the first series to support.

Agree that implemented correctly Fed clashes could restore some of the community element that’s dwindled in recents years.

Will the Federation clash team selector always be the president? Just thinking for the bigger Feds you run the risk of the president not being in the top sides/ legacy agenda. Much like the NT it would be great if the team captain was elected.(appreciate this probably isn’t a priority in the first roll out).

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By hooterman - 19-06-2023 22:36

[ENG]

This game needs a suicide booth so I can throw myself in, think along the lines of Futurama the best animation series ever shown on TV.This game needs a suicide booth so I can throw myself in, think along the lines of Futurama the best animation series ever shown on TV.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 20-06-2023 11:12

[BFTF]

Yes, we think so too! Regarding who picks the team, we agree with you on this one, so we have created a specific federation admin role. On your federation page, under "roles" you will be able to find a role called "Can pick first team", which basically enables the president to choose the leaders of the first team. And it doesn't have to be just one, it can be multiple. As long as the president appoints a few of these leaders (or first team pickers), a federation will not be dependent on the president always being around.

webregas wrote:

Agree that implemented correctly Fed clashes could restore some of the community element that’s dwindled in recents years.

Will the Federation clash team selector always be the president? Just thinking for the bigger Feds you run the risk of the president not being in the top sides/ legacy agenda. Much like the NT it would be great if the team captain was elected.(appreciate this probably isn’t a priority in the first roll out).

Yes, we think so too!

Regarding who picks the team, we agree with you on this one, so we have created a specific federation admin role. On your federation page, under "roles" you will be able to find a role called "Can pick first team", which basically enables the president to choose the leaders of the first team. And it doesn't have to be just one, it can be multiple. As long as the president appoints a few of these leaders (or first team pickers), a federation will not be dependent on the president always being around.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By hooper14 - 20-06-2023 11:26

[ENG]
President

This is good to hear. One of my aims of ManagerZone England Federation is to help new users in the game as many players have been playing for such a long time it can be daunting as a new player especially as the games takes time to progress. As a player who has returned after 6/7 years the slight changes took me a while to get use to e.g. the youth scout tool. However as I mentioned before the most pressing issue on MZ currently is dominance of wings tactics, its killing the enjoyment in the game.

powdersnow wrote:

I also would like to point to the fact that these new features will be free to play in, and part of the reason for this is an ambition on our part to move into a direction where we can welcome more users into the game and give them a surrounding: a team of other users who might make them feel welcome, help them optimize their strategies and so on. So it is very much a part of our longer term strategy for the game.

This is good to hear.

One of my aims of ManagerZone England Federation is to help new users in the game as many players have been playing for such a long time it can be daunting as a new player especially as the games takes time to progress.

As a player who has returned after 6/7 years the slight changes took me a while to get use to e.g. the youth scout tool. However as I mentioned before the most pressing issue on MZ currently is dominance of wings tactics, its killing the enjoyment in the game.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By botislory - 21-06-2023 15:34

[MM]
President

Howdy! I apologize for my English. I am using translate. Regarding (administrating the members of the federation), I can't choose the members and put them in the first team, moreover, I can't even find them, only I found myself. :).Howdy! I apologize for my English. I am using translate. Regarding (administrating the members of the federation), I can't choose the members and put them in the first team, moreover, I can't even find them, only I found myself. :).

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By gordola (GA) - 21-06-2023 16:31

[CLUB]

Good morning, will the Managerzone federation be able to play the competition? [b][MZ] ManagerZone Federation (2)[/b]Good morning, will the Managerzone federation be able to play the competition?

ManagerZone Federation (2)

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By thunderexpress (Crew) - 21-06-2023 17:17

[Crew]

No, that federation will not be competing in the federation league.

gordola wrote:

Good morning, will the Managerzone federation be able to play the competition?

ManagerZone Federation (2)

No, that federation will not be competing in the federation league.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By thunderexpress (Crew) - 21-06-2023 17:30

[Crew]

Hey, It is probably because your federation members need to tick in the box that says "I'm available for first team" before you can select them as first team members. [img]https://www.managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=promo&id=available_first_team[/img]

botislory wrote:

Howdy! I apologize for my English. I am using translate. Regarding (administrating the members of the federation), I can't choose the members and put them in the first team, moreover, I can't even find them, only I found myself. :).

Hey,
It is probably because your federation members need to tick in the box that says "I'm available for first team" before you can select them as first team members.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By gordola (GA) - 21-06-2023 17:43

[CLUB]

Hi Peter, ok thanks

thunderexpress wrote:

No, that federation will not be competing in the federation league.

Hi Peter, ok thanks

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By sid1 - 21-06-2023 21:57

[AFB]

I am president of our association. Do I not allowed to take part in the league myself? I can't find the option to joinI am president of our association. Do I not allowed to take part in the league myself? I can't find the option to join

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By sid1 - 21-06-2023 22:13

[AFB]

sorry. I have find my problem. I have to check my box and set "I'm available to the first team" 😍sorry. I have find my problem. I have to check my box and set "I'm available to the first team" 😍

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By webregas - 21-06-2023 23:14

[ENG]

Thanks for the previous feedback. When is the deadline to select your first team? Will users be notified/ able to see if they are selected?Thanks for the previous feedback.

When is the deadline to select your first team? Will users be notified/ able to see if they are selected?

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By masterkike - 22-06-2023 05:51

[FCMZ]

In the confrontation between federations who chooses the rivals? The president and admins or can each user for free challenge for free?In the confrontation between federations who chooses the rivals? The president and admins or can each user for free challenge for free?

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By botislory - 22-06-2023 07:37

[MM]
President

Instead of trying to simplify the game and try to attract new users, you make it more complicated. The game is very difficult for a new user and seems very complicated. Too many cups, too many events, too many matches and too much randomness. I wish you well!Instead of trying to simplify the game and try to attract new users, you make it more complicated. The game is very difficult for a new user and seems very complicated. Too many cups, too many events, too many matches and too much randomness. I wish you well!

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 22-06-2023 10:09

[BFTF]

I see you already found the solution (making yourself available for your own federation in the way thunderexpress explained a few posts up) but I just wanted to quickly explain why we have made it this way. The reason you as president have to make yourself available, is that not all presidents (or team leaders) will want to play in clashes themselves. It is possible to have members of your federation who do not participate in competitions, but instead are specialized in the administrative side of your federation. This creates a very flexible situation where different federations can choose to organize themselves in a way that suits them.

sid1 wrote:

I am president of our association. Do I not allowed to take part in the league myself? I can't find the option to join

I see you already found the solution (making yourself available for your own federation in the way thunderexpress explained a few posts up) but I just wanted to quickly explain why we have made it this way. The reason you as president have to make yourself available, is that not all presidents (or team leaders) will want to play in clashes themselves. It is possible to have members of your federation who do not participate in competitions, but instead are specialized in the administrative side of your federation. This creates a very flexible situation where different federations can choose to organize themselves in a way that suits them.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 22-06-2023 10:46

[BFTF]

There will be plenty of news surrounding this going forward, and there will also be various notifications. The deadline for picking first team members for the very first clash is 09.00 CET on day 1 of next season, so July 4. This is also the deadline for being included in the federation league, so federations need to make sure they have the minimum 8 first team members selected by then. (There will be at least one more opportunity to get included during the beta season though.)

webregas wrote:

Thanks for the previous feedback.

When is the deadline to select your first team? Will users be notified/ able to see if they are selected?

There will be plenty of news surrounding this going forward, and there will also be various notifications. The deadline for picking first team members for the very first clash is 09.00 CET on day 1 of next season, so July 4. This is also the deadline for being included in the federation league, so federations need to make sure they have the minimum 8 first team members selected by then. (There will be at least one more opportunity to get included during the beta season though.)

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 22-06-2023 10:51

[BFTF]

Each first team member can choose his/her own opponent freely. If the president/leaders want to have more control over this, they need to communicate with their first team members.

masterkike wrote:

In the confrontation between federations who chooses the rivals? The president and admins or can each user for free challenge for free?

Each first team member can choose his/her own opponent freely. If the president/leaders want to have more control over this, they need to communicate with their first team members.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By gordola (GA) - 22-06-2023 18:21

[CLUB]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/07vFNs2.png[/img] Can you tell us about the challenge mode? For example what I understand from this picture is that the user andre47 beat the user kaja by 3 to 0. Is this correct? Can all 10 users of the [b]MZfriendzone[/b] federation challenge only the user kaja? Do you understand my question?

Can you tell us about the challenge mode?

For example what I understand from this picture is that the user andre47 beat the user kaja by 3 to 0.
Is this correct?

Can all 10 users of the MZfriendzone federation challenge only the user kaja?

Do you understand my question?

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By to-trill - 23-06-2023 05:30

[Fiebre]
President

Hola! alguien sabe porque no me aparecen los postulantes para el evento de la federacion? soy el presidente..Hola! alguien sabe porque no me aparecen los postulantes para el evento de la federacion? soy el presidente..

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By ethurington (MA) - 23-06-2023 07:56

[XA-FED]

+1，Can all teams representing our Feb in current clash put [b]all challenges[/b] to [b]just one or few teams[/b] from the opposing Feb？ Or is there a maximum？

gordola wrote:

Can you tell us about the challenge mode?

For example what I understand from this picture is that the user andre47 beat the user kaja by 3 to 0.
Is this correct?

Can all 10 users of the MZfriendzone federation challenge only the user kaja?

Do you understand my question?

+1，Can all teams representing our Feb in current clash put all challenges to just one or few teams from the opposing Feb？
Or is there a maximum？

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By ethurington (MA) - 23-06-2023 08:54

[XA-FED]

Another Question: Can [b]another tactics(different from home tactics)[/b] be set as away tactics to face challenges from opposing Feb?Another Question:

Can another tactics(different from home tactics) be set as away tactics to face challenges from opposing Feb?

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By sid1 - 23-06-2023 11:26

[AFB]

thx a lot. I understand your point. 👌🏼

powdersnow wrote:

I see you already found the solution (making yourself available for your own federation in the way thunderexpress explained a few posts up) but I just wanted to quickly explain why we have made it this way. The reason you as president have to make yourself available, is that not all presidents (or team leaders) will want to play in clashes themselves. It is possible to have members of your federation who do not participate in competitions, but instead are specialized in the administrative side of your federation. This creates a very flexible situation where different federations can choose to organize themselves in a way that suits them.

thx a lot. I understand your point. 👌🏼

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By pencuri (RA) - 23-06-2023 15:10

[MIC]

I still dont get it about this new feature. So correct me if im wrong, but this new feature seems like a chess game, with 1 president federation as the chess player and other member as the chess pawn. Being the federation president, yes it will be interesting new feature, But how about being the pawn? Are you happy?I still dont get it about this new feature.

So correct me if im wrong, but this new feature seems like a chess game, with 1 president federation as the chess player and other member as the chess pawn.

Being the federation president, yes it will be interesting new feature, But how about being the pawn? Are you happy?

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By ethurington (MA) - 23-06-2023 17:12

[XA-FED]

Continue asking... If first team members are so busy that he has no time(or forget) to login, to select opponent for our challenge in clash. How to solve? Is there any auto mode?Continue asking...

If first team members are so busy that he has no time(or forget) to login, to select opponent for our challenge in clash. How to solve?

Is there any auto mode?

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By ethurington (MA) - 24-06-2023 10:00

[XA-FED]

New questions after some simulation: 1.Can walkover Clashes be turned to wins or draws by Key members or not? 2.Key member win opponent in regular challenges. In previleged challenge(3rd challenge), key member aim to turn the bad result(draw or lose) played by other teammate and win the same opponent again. Does it count another win or not?New questions after some simulation:

1.Can walkover Clashes be turned to wins or draws by Key members or not?

2.Key member win opponent in regular challenges. In previleged challenge(3rd challenge), key member aim to turn the bad result(draw or lose) played by other teammate and win the same opponent again.
Does it count another win or not?

Edited: 24-06-2023 10:03
Total edits: 1

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By sid1 - 24-06-2023 17:37

[AFB]

If I challenge someone and win, then I would be happy. The result is perfect and 4 points will befixed...but can the opponent, I challenged, initiate the second play to improve the score, or can the second Game only be made by the challenger?If I challenge someone and win, then I would be happy. The result is perfect and 4 points will befixed...but can the opponent, I challenged, initiate the second play to improve the score, or can the second Game only be made by the challenger?

Edited: 24-06-2023 17:37
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Odp: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By and63and - 26-06-2023 01:50

[-ROYAL]
President

dlaczego federacja posiadająca na przykład 40 aktywnych członków nie może wystawić dwie reprezentacje . podobno nowe rozgrywki mają za zadanie zmobilizować graczy do zrzeszania się w federację proszę mi wytłumaczyć co ja mam powiedzieć pozostałym moim kolegom , z którymi od kilku lat jesteśmy w federacji , a nie znajdą się w 16 reprezentantów - szukajcie nowej federacji? - nie jesteście mi już potrzebni? - za słabi jesteście żeby grać u mnie? [b]ludzie gdzie tu logika i sens[/b] , całkowicie rozwalicie tę grę , pozostaną tylko najmocniejsze drużyny , a nowi gracze nigdy nie będą mieli szans załapać się do federacji , bo po co komuś słabi gracze zamiast wzmacniać formułę organizowania się w federację , doprowadzicie do jej upadkudlaczego federacja posiadająca na przykład 40 aktywnych członków nie może wystawić dwie reprezentacje . podobno nowe rozgrywki mają za zadanie zmobilizować graczy do zrzeszania się w federację
proszę mi wytłumaczyć co ja mam powiedzieć pozostałym moim kolegom , z którymi od kilku lat jesteśmy w federacji , a nie znajdą się w 16 reprezentantów
- szukajcie nowej federacji?
- nie jesteście mi już potrzebni?
- za słabi jesteście żeby grać u mnie?
ludzie gdzie tu logika i sens , całkowicie rozwalicie tę grę , pozostaną tylko najmocniejsze drużyny , a nowi gracze nigdy nie będą mieli szans załapać się do federacji , bo po co komuś słabi gracze
zamiast wzmacniać formułę organizowania się w federację , doprowadzicie do jej upadku

Odp: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By and63and - 26-06-2023 01:59

[-ROYAL]
President

why a federation with, for example, 40 active members cannot field two teams. Apparently, the new games are designed to mobilize players to associate in a federation please explain to me what I should say to my other colleagues, with whom we have been in the federation for several years, and they will not be among the 16 representatives - looking for a new federation? - I don't need you anymore? Are you too weak to play with me? [b]people, where is the logic and sense[/b], you will completely destroy this game, only the strongest teams will remain, and new players will never have a chance to get into the federation, because why would anyone need weak players instead of strengthening the formula of organizing into a federation, you will bring about its collapse [i]I'm sorry but I'm reposting in English[/i]why a federation with, for example, 40 active members cannot field two teams. Apparently, the new games are designed to mobilize players to associate in a federation
please explain to me what I should say to my other colleagues, with whom we have been in the federation for several years, and they will not be among the 16 representatives
- looking for a new federation?
- I don't need you anymore?
Are you too weak to play with me?
people, where is the logic and sense, you will completely destroy this game, only the strongest teams will remain, and new players will never have a chance to get into the federation, because why would anyone need weak players
instead of strengthening the formula of organizing into a federation, you will bring about its collapse
I'm sorry but I'm reposting in English

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By gordola (GA) - 26-06-2023 02:15

[CLUB]

I perfectly understand your approach and the same thing happens to me in my federation. The decision I took is to change the 16 users day by day so that everyone can play. I can't think of any other solution.

and63and wrote:

why a federation with, for example, 40 active members cannot field two teams. Apparently, the new games are designed to mobilize players to associate in a federation
please explain to me what I should say to my other colleagues, with whom we have been in the federation for several years, and they will not be among the 16 representatives
- looking for a new federation?
- I don't need you anymore?
Are you too weak to play with me?
people, where is the logic and sense, you will completely destroy this game, only the strongest teams will remain, and new players will never have a chance to get into the federation, because why would anyone need weak players
instead of strengthening the formula of organizing into a federation, you will bring about its collapse
I'm sorry but I'm reposting in English

I perfectly understand your approach and the same thing happens to me in my federation.

The decision I took is to change the 16 users day by day so that everyone can play.

I can't think of any other solution.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By pibasog - 26-06-2023 05:08

[CaB]
President

i think its a beta test ... maybe MZ in a future will make: the 16teams have to be at least 2 u18 at least 2 u21 at least 2 u23 at least 2 of div3 or worst 8 freei think its a beta test ... maybe MZ in a future will make:

the 16teams have to be

at least 2 u18
at least 2 u21
at least 2 u23
at least 2 of div3 or worst
8 free

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 09:50

[BFTF]

No, the other way around. The user andre47 has been challenged by kaja. Kaja played two matches, lost the first one 0-2 but won the second one 3-0. Unfortunately I do see a problem in the image (it is from our development server). All those buttons shouldn't be green. In the early stages of a clash, before anyone has played any matches, all matches will be green and you can choose freely between all opponents. However, once results start coming in, the buttons next to users who have already been challenged will be greyed out. In the image, the challenge button next to adre47, punkxchick1299 anf liqueszh should be grey. Each user has the pick an opponent and challenge them a maximum of two times, and once you have picked an opponent, no other normal member will be able to play against that user. And you cannot challenge any other user either, unless you are a key member and have that extra wildcard challenge.

gordola wrote:

Can you tell us about the challenge mode?

For example what I understand from this picture is that the user andre47 beat the user kaja by 3 to 0. Is this correct?

Can all 10 users of the MZfriendzone federation challenge only the user kaja?

No, the other way around. The user andre47 has been challenged by kaja. Kaja played two matches, lost the first one 0-2 but won the second one 3-0.

Unfortunately I do see a problem in the image (it is from our development server). All those buttons shouldn't be green. In the early stages of a clash, before anyone has played any matches, all matches will be green and you can choose freely between all opponents. However, once results start coming in, the buttons next to users who have already been challenged will be greyed out. In the image, the challenge button next to adre47, punkxchick1299 anf liqueszh should be grey.

Each user has the pick an opponent and challenge them a maximum of two times, and once you have picked an opponent, no other normal member will be able to play against that user. And you cannot challenge any other user either, unless you are a key member and have that extra wildcard challenge.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 09:58

[BFTF]

You have to make sure that they have made themselves available for the first team. Nope, each user has to pick an opponent. Currently this means that if your federation has 16 members while the opposing federation only has 10 members, 6 of your members will not play any matches. This is something we are open to changing, however, if there is a strong consensus in the community when the clashes start.

to-trill wrote:

Hola! alguien sabe porque no me aparecen los postulantes para el evento de la federacion? soy el presidente..

You have to make sure that they have made themselves available for the first team.

ethurington wrote:

+1，Can all teams representing our Feb in current clash put all challenges to just one or few teams from the opposing Feb？
Or is there a maximum？

Nope, each user has to pick an opponent. Currently this means that if your federation has 16 members while the opposing federation only has 10 members, 6 of your members will not play any matches. This is something we are open to changing, however, if there is a strong consensus in the community when the clashes start.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 10:09

[BFTF]

Home and away tactics do not have to match at all. Prior to a clash you will set the away tactic that the opponent federation will challenge, and this away tactic cannot be changed. It is up to your opponents to try and find a way to break your tactic down and get a good result. In [b]your[/b] challenges against the opposing federation members, you can choose any tactic you want. This is part of the reason why we are allowing two matches and not just one: the first one can be seen as somewhat of a scouting opportunity. Once you have played that match, you have a really good clue as to how the opponent will play, because you know for a fact that it will not change for your second match. You and your federation team members can look at the match and try to analyze it, to get the best chance of getting a good result in your second match.

ethurington wrote:

Another Question:

Can another tactics(different from home tactics) be set as away tactics to face challenges from opposing Feb?

Home and away tactics do not have to match at all.

Prior to a clash you will set the away tactic that the opponent federation will challenge, and this away tactic cannot be changed. It is up to your opponents to try and find a way to break your tactic down and get a good result.

In your challenges against the opposing federation members, you can choose any tactic you want. This is part of the reason why we are allowing two matches and not just one: the first one can be seen as somewhat of a scouting opportunity. Once you have played that match, you have a really good clue as to how the opponent will play, because you know for a fact that it will not change for your second match. You and your federation team members can look at the match and try to analyze it, to get the best chance of getting a good result in your second match.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 10:28

[BFTF]

A federation can name many different leaders, and all of these can pick first team members. Also, a first team member will choose freely which opponent to play against.

pencuri wrote:

So correct me if im wrong, but this new feature seems like a chess game, with 1 president federation as the chess player and other member as the chess pawn.

Being the federation president, yes it will be interesting new feature, But how about being the pawn? Are you happy?

A federation can name many different leaders, and all of these can pick first team members. Also, a first team member will choose freely which opponent to play against.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 10:34

[BFTF]

Once you have selected the first team, this selection will continue to be in effect in all future clashes, until the team leader(s) makes a change. So you can see it as pretty similar to how you pick your first team in normal matches, your players will continue to be in the team until you change your tactic. One of the core reasons for the "key member" function, is to give federation a way to cover for members who should have played, but didn't. But I would argue that in addition to this, federations members need to talk amongst themselves and organize, in addition to finding members who are trustworthy and will play their matches. Of course all users do now want this, and in that case there will probably be more casual/laidback federations to join. Different federations will have different aspirations.

ethurington wrote:

Continue asking...

If first team members are so busy that he has no time(or forget) to login, to select opponent for our challenge in clash. How to solve?

Is there any auto mode?

Once you have selected the first team, this selection will continue to be in effect in all future clashes, until the team leader(s) makes a change. So you can see it as pretty similar to how you pick your first team in normal matches, your players will continue to be in the team until you change your tactic.

One of the core reasons for the "key member" function, is to give federation a way to cover for members who should have played, but didn't. But I would argue that in addition to this, federations members need to talk amongst themselves and organize, in addition to finding members who are trustworthy and will play their matches. Of course all users do now want this, and in that case there will probably be more casual/laidback federations to join. Different federations will have different aspirations.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 10:57

[BFTF]

1. I have to be honest, this is a little bit difficult to explain without being able to point to an ongoing clash, because things will make a lot more sense once you can look around and get a deeper understanding for how it works. Trying to explain it in text like this is a bit abstract, but I will try. If your first team member consists of 14 players (it should consist of 16 players) you will automatically forfeit two away matches. Because let's say the opponent federation fields 16 members, two of those members wont actually get any opponent, since your federation isn't full. Those two matches will count as losses, and there is nothing your federation can do about it. In your home matches, you have only 14 members to challenge their 16 members. But thanks to the "key member" function, you should have two users who can fill up the empty spots, giving you a chance to get a result against all opponents in spite of being short handed. (And of course if the situation was reverse, you have a full first team but the opponents do not, then your federation would get those walk-over victories.) It only counts one result per opponent. And not your best result, but your [b]latest[/b]. result. So let us take a look at this image: [img]https://www.managerzone.com/dynimg/pic.php?type=news&id=fed2_nyhet_hela[/img] You can see from the icon that a key member has played against the user punkxchick1299g. The matches, in order, were like this: [ul] [li] First, tripoli999 lost a match, 1-2 (the result in parenthesis). [/li] [li] Then, tripoli999 tried once more, but again lost 1-2. [/li] [li] Then, key member afwendjo stepped in and played a third match, reversing the loss into a 2-1 win.[/li] [/ul] This results in 4 points added to the table, because the latest match against this opponent was a win. But let's say tripoli999 was able to draw the latest match, 1-1. Your federation isn't happy with this and afwendjo steps in. If afwendjo wins, you still only get 4 points to the table, since only the [b]latest[/b] result counts. You could even have a nightmare situation where afwendjo steps in and actually loses the third match, after tripoli was able to get a draw. The draw now doesn't matter, since it isn't the latest result against this opponent. Please let me know if I am making sense or if you want me to try and explain in a different way. 😊

ethurington wrote:

1.Can walkover Clashes be turned to wins or draws by Key members or not?

1. I have to be honest, this is a little bit difficult to explain without being able to point to an ongoing clash, because things will make a lot more sense once you can look around and get a deeper understanding for how it works. Trying to explain it in text like this is a bit abstract, but I will try.

If your first team member consists of 14 players (it should consist of 16 players) you will automatically forfeit two away matches. Because let's say the opponent federation fields 16 members, two of those members wont actually get any opponent, since your federation isn't full. Those two matches will count as losses, and there is nothing your federation can do about it.

In your home matches, you have only 14 members to challenge their 16 members. But thanks to the "key member" function, you should have two users who can fill up the empty spots, giving you a chance to get a result against all opponents in spite of being short handed.

(And of course if the situation was reverse, you have a full first team but the opponents do not, then your federation would get those walk-over victories.)

ethurington wrote:

2.Key member win opponent in regular challenges. In previleged challenge(3rd challenge), key member aim to turn the bad result(draw or lose) played by other teammate and win the same opponent again. Does it count another win or not?

It only counts one result per opponent. And not your best result, but your latest. result. So let us take a look at this image:



You can see from the icon that a key member has played against the user punkxchick1299g. The matches, in order, were like this:

• First, tripoli999 lost a match, 1-2 (the result in parenthesis).
• Then, tripoli999 tried once more, but again lost 1-2.
• Then, key member afwendjo stepped in and played a third match, reversing the loss into a 2-1 win.

This results in 4 points added to the table, because the latest match against this opponent was a win.

But let's say tripoli999 was able to draw the latest match, 1-1. Your federation isn't happy with this and afwendjo steps in. If afwendjo wins, you still only get 4 points to the table, since only the latest result counts.

You could even have a nightmare situation where afwendjo steps in and actually loses the third match, after tripoli was able to get a draw. The draw now doesn't matter, since it isn't the latest result against this opponent.

Please let me know if I am making sense or if you want me to try and explain in a different way. 😊

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 11:05

[BFTF]

Here you need to distinguish between [b]your[/b] challenges against the opposing federation and [b]their[/b] challenges against you (if you look at the image in my last post, you can see towards the upper left that you can switch between these two views). These are going on simultaneously. If you have won against your opponent, you *will* get the four points added to the table, your opponent can do nothing to change this. Your opponents can only influence their own challenges. The only way you would loose those four points is if you somehow come to the conclusion that you want to play one more match against the same opponent, and then doesn't win the match. Only the [b]latest[/b] result counts.

sid1 wrote:

If I challenge someone and win, then I would be happy. The result is perfect and 4 points will befixed...but can the opponent, I challenged, initiate the second play to improve the score, or can the second Game only be made by the challenger?

Here you need to distinguish between your challenges against the opposing federation and their challenges against you (if you look at the image in my last post, you can see towards the upper left that you can switch between these two views). These are going on simultaneously.

If you have won against your opponent, you *will* get the four points added to the table, your opponent can do nothing to change this. Your opponents can only influence their own challenges. The only way you would loose those four points is if you somehow come to the conclusion that you want to play one more match against the same opponent, and then doesn't win the match. Only the latest result counts.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 11:18

[BFTF]

The reason is that we wanted to create a feature where federations can compete on equal terms (rather than "biggest is best", which doesn't seem that interesting), and where each match really means something. We could have settled on more than 16 users, and we might be open to changing this number if there is a strong consensus and valid arguments. But the higher we set the number, the more difficult it will be for most federations to be competitive. We want to allow for a more casual approach to federations, for those who would rather do it that way. But at the same time allow for a lot of depth for those users and federations who want to be more ambitious. I would argue that you actually can have multiple teams, if you want. Let's say your federation is called MyFederation. All of your members are part of that federation, this is where you talk, vote in polls and organize yourselves. But you can also create new federations and call these MyFederation B, MyFederation C et.c. This way, all members who want to be part of a first team and represent your federation can do that.

and63and wrote:

why a federation with, for example, 40 active members cannot field two teams. Apparently, the new games are designed to mobilize players to associate in a federation
please explain to me what I should say to my other colleagues, with whom we have been in the federation for several years, and they will not be among the 16 representatives
- looking for a new federation?
- I don't need you anymore?
Are you too weak to play with me?
people, where is the logic and sense, you will completely destroy this game, only the strongest teams will remain, and new players will never have a chance to get into the federation, because why would anyone need weak players
instead of strengthening the formula of organizing into a federation, you will bring about its collapse
I'm sorry but I'm reposting in English

The reason is that we wanted to create a feature where federations can compete on equal terms (rather than "biggest is best", which doesn't seem that interesting), and where each match really means something. We could have settled on more than 16 users, and we might be open to changing this number if there is a strong consensus and valid arguments. But the higher we set the number, the more difficult it will be for most federations to be competitive. We want to allow for a more casual approach to federations, for those who would rather do it that way. But at the same time allow for a lot of depth for those users and federations who want to be more ambitious.

I would argue that you actually can have multiple teams, if you want. Let's say your federation is called MyFederation. All of your members are part of that federation, this is where you talk, vote in polls and organize yourselves. But you can also create new federations and call these MyFederation B, MyFederation C et.c. This way, all members who want to be part of a first team and represent your federation can do that.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 11:32

[BFTF]

We do want to allow for Uxx competitions at some point, but I think we might go more towards an entire Uxx league, where members need to play with the correct age category of players to be eligible. But nothing has been decided yet, so keep the ideas coming. 😊

pibasog wrote:

at least 2 u18
at least 2 u21
at least 2 u23
at least 2 of div3 or worst
8 free

We do want to allow for Uxx competitions at some point, but I think we might go more towards an entire Uxx league, where members need to play with the correct age category of players to be eligible. But nothing has been decided yet, so keep the ideas coming. 😊

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By gordola (GA) - 26-06-2023 12:11

[CLUB]

Hello good morning, thank you for the answers. Regarding the competition system, I understand that there will be zones with 16 federations approximately? Then we will have play off?Hello good morning, thank you for the answers.

Regarding the competition system, I understand that there will be zones with 16 federations approximately?

Then we will have play off?

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 26-06-2023 13:08

[BFTF]

Each group will consist of 24 federations where all federations meet eachother [b]once[/b]. A set number of federations will be promoted and relegated each season. We have not planned to include any playoff because we want to keep it as simple as possible (also we don't really see the point, and it would prolong the season and give some federations more clashes), but if there is a strong consensus after a couple of seasons that there should be playoffs, this might be something we would consider.

gordola wrote:

Hello good morning, thank you for the answers.
Regarding the competition system, I understand that there will be zones with 16 federations approximately?
Then we will have play off?

Each group will consist of 24 federations where all federations meet eachother once. A set number of federations will be promoted and relegated each season. We have not planned to include any playoff because we want to keep it as simple as possible (also we don't really see the point, and it would prolong the season and give some federations more clashes), but if there is a strong consensus after a couple of seasons that there should be playoffs, this might be something we would consider.

Edited: 26-06-2023 17:00
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Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By gordola (GA) - 26-06-2023 15:39

[CLUB]

Perfect, thanks

powdersnow wrote:

Each group will consist of 24 teams where all teams meet eachother once. A set number of federations will be promoted and relegated each season. We have not planned to include any playoff because we want to keep it as simple as possible (also we don't really see the point, and it would prolong the season and give some federations more clashes), but if there is a strong consensus after a couple of seasons that there should be playoffs, this might be something we would consider.

Perfect, thanks

Beantwortet: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions her

By sid1 - 26-06-2023 20:32

[AFB]

very interesting answer. thx a lot

powdersnow wrote:

Here you need to distinguish between your challenges against the opposing federation and their challenges against you (if you look at the image in my last post, you can see towards the upper left that you can switch between these two views). These are going on simultaneously.

If you have won against your opponent, you *will* get the four points added to the table, your opponent can do nothing to change this. Your opponents can only influence their own challenges. The only way you would loose those four points is if you somehow come to the conclusion that you want to play one more match against the same opponent, and then doesn't win the match. Only the latest result counts.

very interesting answer. thx a lot

Odp: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By and63and - 27-06-2023 00:10

[-ROYAL]
President

I just want to point out that I certainly didn't mean to increase the number of representatives (+16), but to allow two teams to start within one federation. why should I create a new federation to allow my friends who have weaker squads to play at the moment we all play together in many competitions (Clan League, Federation Leagues, Federation Cup, etc.) and if I move half of the teams to a new federation, it will hinder all our competitions in which we had a great time It's going to be hard to put it all together Therefore, I am asking you to consider starting 2 teams from one federation

powdersnow wrote:

I would argue that you actually can have multiple teams, if you want. Let's say your federation is called MyFederation. All of your members are part of that federation, this is where you talk, vote in polls and organize yourselves. But you can also create new federations and call these MyFederation B, MyFederation C et.c. This way, all members who want to be part of a first team and represent your federation can do that.

I just want to point out that I certainly didn't mean to increase the number of representatives (+16), but to allow two teams to start within one federation.
why should I create a new federation to allow my friends who have weaker squads to play at the moment
we all play together in many competitions (Clan League, Federation Leagues, Federation Cup, etc.) and if I move half of the teams to a new federation, it will hinder all our competitions in which we had a great time
It's going to be hard to put it all together
Therefore, I am asking you to consider starting 2 teams from one federation

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By powdersnow (Crew) - 27-06-2023 09:44

[BFTF]

Ok, got it. 😊 Yeah the idea was that your members could be part of one of your competitive federations, but also still be member of your main federation and have it as primary. That way they can represent one of your sub feds as first team member, whilst also supporting your main federation in the ways you mentioned (Clan League, Federation Leagues, Federation Cup, etc). Honestly though, I think your idea is a good one and I could see how it could strengthen the federation feature as a whole. Worth considering in the future, main question is whether it is worth the time spent developing it.

and63and wrote:

I just want to point out that I certainly didn't mean to increase the number of representatives (+16), but to allow two teams to start within one federation.
why should I create a new federation to allow my friends who have weaker squads to play at the moment
we all play together in many competitions (Clan League, Federation Leagues, Federation Cup, etc.) and if I move half of the teams to a new federation, it will hinder all our competitions in which we had a great time
It's going to be hard to put it all together
Therefore, I am asking you to consider starting 2 teams from one federation

Ok, got it. 😊

Yeah the idea was that your members could be part of one of your competitive federations, but also still be member of your main federation and have it as primary. That way they can represent one of your sub feds as first team member, whilst also supporting your main federation in the ways you mentioned (Clan League, Federation Leagues, Federation Cup, etc).

Honestly though, I think your idea is a good one and I could see how it could strengthen the federation feature as a whole. Worth considering in the future, main question is whether it is worth the time spent developing it.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By ethurington (MA) - 27-06-2023 15:15

[XA-FED]

This question I asked was based on the assumption that [b]one opponent can be challenged by more than one member except Key Member[/b]. If only 1 team vs 1 team is allowed, this situation won't happen.

powdersnow wrote:

It only counts one result per opponent. And not your best result, but your latest. result. So let us take a look at this image:



You can see from the icon that a key member has played against the user punkxchick1299g. The matches, in order, were like this:

• First, tripoli999 lost a match, 1-2 (the result in parenthesis).
• Then, tripoli999 tried once more, but again lost 1-2.
• Then, key member afwendjo stepped in and played a third match, reversing the loss into a 2-1 win.

This results in 4 points added to the table, because the latest match against this opponent was a win.

But let's say tripoli999 was able to draw the latest match, 1-1. Your federation isn't happy with this and afwendjo steps in. If afwendjo wins, you still only get 4 points to the table, since only the latest result counts.

You could even have a nightmare situation where afwendjo steps in and actually loses the third match, after tripoli was able to get a draw. The draw now doesn't matter, since it isn't the latest result against this opponent.

Please let me know if I am making sense or if you want me to try and explain in a different way. 😊

This question I asked was based on the assumption that one opponent can be challenged by more than one member except Key Member.
If only 1 team vs 1 team is allowed, this situation won't happen.

Edited: 27-06-2023 15:26
Total edits: 2

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By fabrigremista - 27-06-2023 21:51

[GRÊMIO]

Impractical idea... It depends on the goodwill of all users and this limitation of 16 players is bad. If a big federation has more than 16 teams, you will have to create another federation (this way you can end the internal leagues of this federation) Other than that smaller federations in users suffer more to be able to close the 16 teams. I prefer the idea that @gordola created, which is the Desafio Argentino.Impractical idea... It depends on the goodwill of all users and this limitation of 16 players is bad.

If a big federation has more than 16 teams, you will have to create another federation (this way you can end the internal leagues of this federation)

Other than that smaller federations in users suffer more to be able to close the 16 teams.

I prefer the idea that @gordola created, which is the Desafio Argentino.

Re: Federation clashes and Beta: ask your questions here!

By fabrigremista - 27-06-2023 21:57

[GRÊMIO]

You should create competitions forming clans but where everyone faces each other in a practical way (in this Beta you have to select a tactic already and it seems to me something frozen) The way the "Argentine Challenge" and the "GOu" work, are more practical and involve more the teams that will play... Basically, the president is responsible for everything And the teams only have a duty to make themselves available to the federation and choose a tactic.You should create competitions forming clans but where everyone faces each other in a practical way (in this Beta you have to select a tactic already and it seems to me something frozen)

The way the "Argentine Challenge" and the "GOu" work, are more practical and involve more the teams that will play... Basically, the president is responsible for everything And the teams only have a duty to make themselves available to the federation and choose a tactic.

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