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another new event: trial of heroes

By jerdefox (LA) - 24-02-2022 10:35

another one... again. Every 2 months now and not even for some special occasion. just any random date would do now to launch a money-generating event that gives too much of an advantage to people willing to pay for it.. i think i'm out after spending my remaining power tokens. MZ is clearly becoming too much of a pay-to-win game if you want to be able to catch up with the managers spending too much money with every event. Too bad...another one... again. Every 2 months now and not even for some special occasion. just any random date would do now to launch a money-generating event that gives too much of an advantage to people willing to pay for it..

i think i'm out after spending my remaining power tokens. MZ is clearly becoming too much of a pay-to-win game if you want to be able to catch up with the managers spending too much money with every event. Too bad...

 

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Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 24-02-2022 11:20

I'm inclined to think just the opposite. Ok, maybe there are people who will pay for those extra few chips. With plenty of those floating around, a marginal benefit I would say and good for them. But with those chips in abundance for all (active) managers, not a very wise way to spend your money and -more importantly- everyone can have better (trained) players without automatically having to resort to the transfer market. All in all, it makes MZ slightly less pay-to-win, not more. Just think how these events as a matter of fact favour managers who are active, not so much the managers who are willing to pay for just about everything they can their hands on. Just a thought.I'm inclined to think just the opposite. Ok, maybe there are people who will pay for those extra few chips. With plenty of those floating around, a marginal benefit I would say and good for them. But with those chips in abundance for all (active) managers, not a very wise way to spend your money and -more importantly- everyone can have better (trained) players without automatically having to resort to the transfer market. All in all, it makes MZ slightly less pay-to-win, not more. Just think how these events as a matter of fact favour managers who are active, not so much the managers who are willing to pay for just about everything they can their hands on. Just a thought.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By douglaskampl - 24-02-2022 11:35

[BRAU18]
President

I do think the chips are pay-to-win, but they are not gamebreaking.I do think the chips are pay-to-win, but they are not gamebreaking.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 24-02-2022 11:38

But why? Aren't they primarily click-to-win?

douglaskampl wrote:

I do think the chips are pay-to-win, but they are not gamebreaking.

But why? Aren't they primarily click-to-win?

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By douglaskampl - 24-02-2022 11:47

[BRAU18]
President

Because you can get more stuff if you pay. There are free tickets just from clicking, of course, but you can gather more chips if you pay. Even if you could get all the chips available for free, paying would at least mean putting less effort. As I said, it's not a big deal in my opinion, because anyone who is not willing to spend money has access to at least a couple of free chips anyway.

smaakeloos wrote:

But why? Aren't they primarily click-to-win?

Because you can get more stuff if you pay. There are free tickets just from clicking, of course, but you can gather more chips if you pay.

Even if you could get all the chips available for free, paying would at least mean putting less effort.

As I said, it's not a big deal in my opinion, because anyone who is not willing to spend money has access to at least a couple of free chips anyway.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 24-02-2022 12:04

Ok, fair point, although I still think that's a marginal benefit (better training available for your lesser useful players basically) and that you're missing other side effects that make it a more even playing field between club members and non club members.

douglaskampl wrote:

Because you can get more stuff if you pay.

Ok, fair point, although I still think that's a marginal benefit (better training available for your lesser useful players basically) and that you're missing other side effects that make it a more even playing field between club members and non club members.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By douglaskampl - 24-02-2022 13:13

[BRAU18]
President

I agree. More upsides than downsides. And it also helps new managers to catch up with old managers who hoarded money for years. I guess we could still call it 'slightly pay-to-win', but it feels balanced.

smaakeloos wrote:

Ok, fair point, although I still think that's a marginal benefit (better training available for your lesser useful players basically) and that you're missing other side effects that make it a more even playing field between club members and non club members.

I agree. More upsides than downsides. And it also helps new managers to catch up with old managers who hoarded money for years.

I guess we could still call it 'slightly pay-to-win', but it feels balanced.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By kukoricasalata - 24-02-2022 13:16

[MZ_HUN]

became boringbecame boring

Sv: another new event: trial of heroes

By freddemand - 24-02-2022 17:03

[TDF]

Sure, but so worth it 😁 With these events, I see so many upsides for my team. Sure, some will pay to get all the chips, but u can still 10+ if you collect when ready and use the tickets well. When I send two firstteamers out next season with an availabilty chip and see two young talents get 7+ balls on a camp with efficiancy chip, or when the whole puzzle that is getting everyone away on a Tc, comes together with a timesaver chip, I dont really bother too much about anybody paying for their chips. It takes two min to collect the tickets, and getting 8-10 chips could be massive for any team, so yeah, more ups than downs imo 😁 Also, the is a limit, that as far as I know cant be reached for free, but still a limit. I have played som mobilegames that REALLY are P2W, and MZ is the kindergarten of P2W compared to those. 😄 Enjoy your chips! 😇

kukoricasalata wrote:

became boring

Sure, but so worth it 😁

douglaskampl wrote:

I agree. More upsides than downsides. And it also helps new managers to catch up with old managers who hoarded money for years.

I guess we could still call it 'slightly pay-to-win', but it feels balanced.

With these events, I see so many upsides for my team. Sure, some will pay to get all the chips, but u can still 10+ if you collect when ready and use the tickets well. When I send two firstteamers out next season with an availabilty chip and see two young talents get 7+ balls on a camp with efficiancy chip, or when the whole puzzle that is getting everyone away on a Tc, comes together with a timesaver chip, I dont really bother too much about anybody paying for their chips.

It takes two min to collect the tickets, and getting 8-10 chips could be massive for any team, so yeah, more ups than downs imo 😁 Also, the is a limit, that as far as I know cant be reached for free, but still a limit.

I have played som mobilegames that REALLY are P2W, and MZ is the kindergarten of P2W compared to those. 😄 Enjoy your chips! 😇

Ant: another new event: trial of heroes

By jerdefox (LA) - 24-02-2022 22:07

upsides: you can have some benefits for your own players without paying extra tokens. Nice. But you will have a lot less then paying users. downsides: - if you don't pay to win. the gap will increase. Thus making it less intresting even for paying managers (club membership) to try to compete with the pay-to-win teams. Or is MZ the first game where a pay-to-win systems makes the game more attractive for users not paying 400 € a year on some random digital cash-generating event... - teams who are less active will only collect few or even no chips at all. Thus making it barely impossible to win anything on the long term. They will lose intrest. These users won't stay around. Less users = less paying users on the long term.upsides: you can have some benefits for your own players without paying extra tokens. Nice. But you will have a lot less then paying users.

downsides:
- if you don't pay to win. the gap will increase. Thus making it less intresting even for paying managers (club membership) to try to compete with the pay-to-win teams. Or is MZ the first game where a pay-to-win systems makes the game more attractive for users not paying 400 € a year on some random digital cash-generating event...

- teams who are less active will only collect few or even no chips at all. Thus making it barely impossible to win anything on the long term. They will lose intrest. These users won't stay around. Less users = less paying users on the long term.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By chucky06 - 25-02-2022 08:59

[AUSNZ]
President

Huge huge benefit for anyone playing Uxx leagues only. You can send 8 of your U23 teams now with two of these tours a season whilst having them available for all matches. That’s a huge benefit whilst having 8 of your U21 team in camp for half the time and missing very few games. Obviously this can be done in other ways and for U18 teams too.Huge huge benefit for anyone playing Uxx leagues only. You can send 8 of your U23 teams now with two of these tours a season whilst having them available for all matches. That’s a huge benefit whilst having 8 of your U21 team in camp for half the time and missing very few games.

Obviously this can be done in other ways and for U18 teams too.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By maradona1960 - 25-02-2022 11:21

[MZ]

I will say one more time that i hope these events be out for 2 times per seasons and not only 1! Congrats crew! These events gives money to the company and we hope as customers that crew will benefit and help improve the game! game dont need users that they dont pay to play! Managerzone is one of the cheapest game out there! I dont want to mention other games that you must pay crazy money in the events they have! If other people here play other online games they know what i am saying now! So i hope for more events every season and different events! With deterors in the game players must be ready at age 22 or 23! Another important change is to give experience to the players faster and have 9 at age 23 so they can play until 29 super and then come the deterors or remove the experience from the game ( PROBABLY MORE EASY experience is out from hockey!) I dont agree because its also the same for senior teams because they can make super players faster and win lot of money from users like me who pay a lot to play uxx leagues and cups and have more cash to buy super senior players! so i think that these chips helps all the managers! important is to know how to use them!I will say one more time that i hope these events be out for 2 times per seasons and not only 1! Congrats crew!

These events gives money to the company and we hope as customers that crew will benefit and help improve the game! game dont need users that they dont pay to play! Managerzone is one of the cheapest game out there! I dont want to mention other games that you must pay crazy money in the events they have! If other people here play other online games they know what i am saying now!



So i hope for more events every season and different events! With deterors in the game players must be ready at age 22 or 23! Another important change is to give experience to the players faster and have 9 at age 23 so they can play until 29 super and then come the deterors or remove the experience from the game ( PROBABLY MORE EASY experience is out from hockey!)

chucky06 wrote:

Huge huge benefit for anyone playing Uxx leagues only. You can send 8 of your U23 teams now with two of these tours a season whilst having them available for all matches. That’s a huge benefit whilst having 8 of your U21 team in camp for half the time and missing very few games.

Obviously this can be done in other ways and for U18 teams too.

I dont agree because its also the same for senior teams because they can make super players faster and win lot of money from users like me who pay a lot to play uxx leagues and cups and have more cash to buy super senior players! so i think that these chips helps all the managers! important is to know how to use them!

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By douglaskampl - 25-02-2022 11:34

[BRAU18]
President

10 chips without paying? Lol, first time I played I got only 4. Teach me your ways. I guess all you need to do is logging in every 4 hours, but I guess most people can't afford doing this? Then you have the option to pay to catch up. But at least most people can get 4~5 chips for free without a lot of effort, so I still support the idea of chips. They are part of the game too. They are actually part of the reason why people spend money: to gain advantage over free-to-play players. Without free users, the game is doomed be less succesful (if not doomed to be a complete failure).

freddemand wrote:

words

10 chips without paying? Lol, first time I played I got only 4. Teach me your ways.

I guess all you need to do is logging in every 4 hours, but I guess most people can't afford doing this? Then you have the option to pay to catch up. But at least most people can get 4~5 chips for free without a lot of effort, so I still support the idea of chips.

maradona1960 wrote:

game dont need users that they dont pay to play!

They are part of the game too. They are actually part of the reason why people spend money: to gain advantage over free-to-play players. Without free users, the game is doomed be less succesful (if not doomed to be a complete failure).

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By maradona1960 - 25-02-2022 11:44

[MZ]

I dont see any non paying member to be top manager or try to win big titles! So i dont see what advantange are you talking about? All the big teams in the world are paying members who have all the benefits of these events! All my opponents are full paying managers so i dont gain any advantage! And in the end as i said here its a company and must have profit! The only we must ask is with our money to improve the game and the sim and other stuff so our money make this game better!

douglaskampl wrote:

They are part of the game too. They are actually part of the reason why people spend money: to gain advantage over free-to-play players. Without free users, the game is doomed be less succesful (if not doomed to be a complete failure).

I dont see any non paying member to be top manager or try to win big titles!
So i dont see what advantange are you talking about? All the big teams in the world are paying members who have all the benefits of these events! All my opponents are full paying managers so i dont gain any advantage!

And in the end as i said here its a company and must have profit! The only we must ask is with our money to improve the game and the sim and other stuff so our money make this game better!

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By douglaskampl - 25-02-2022 12:06

[BRAU18]
President

What I meant is that the presence of free-to-player users might encourage you to spending money on Power Tokens since you know you'll have an advantage over the people who don't spend money. And there are lots of advantages of course. For example, a potential competitive edge is joining the youth leagues and earn more income on a weekly basis. And of course any business has to be profitable. But chances are you will profit more in an environment shared by free2play and pay2play users instead of only p2p.

maradona1960 wrote:

I dont see any non paying member to be top manager or try to win big titles!
So i dont see what advantange are you talking about? All the big teams in the world are paying members who have all the benefits of these events! All my opponents are full paying managers so i dont gain any advantage!

And in the end as i said here its a company and must have profit! The only we must ask is with our money to improve the game and the sim and other stuff so our money make this game better!

What I meant is that the presence of free-to-player users might encourage you to spending money on Power Tokens since you know you'll have an advantage over the people who don't spend money. And there are lots of advantages of course. For example, a potential competitive edge is joining the youth leagues and earn more income on a weekly basis.

And of course any business has to be profitable. But chances are you will profit more in an environment shared by free2play and pay2play users instead of only p2p.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By emanski7 (NC) - 25-02-2022 12:27

[ENG]

Whats the best chip to use in you guys opinion? 😅Whats the best chip to use in you guys opinion? 😅

Sv: another new event: trial of heroes

By freddemand - 25-02-2022 16:53

[TDF]

Couple of good points here, very good for gaining experience faster. Also agree that Crew probably need income to make the changes and improvement they posted at beginning of the season. One event, tops, each season is fine though 😄 The chips should be rare and you should have to figure out the best way to use them. Yeah, I think I got 4 og availabilty and timesavers, and 2 efficiancys. Last time it lasted two weeks that is. And yeah, every 4 hours 😄😭

maradona1960 wrote:

I will say one more time that i hope these events be out for 2 times per seasons and not only 1! Congrats crew!

These events gives money to the company and we hope as customers that crew will benefit and help improve the game! game dont need users that they dont pay to play! Managerzone is one of the cheapest game out there! I dont want to mention other games that you must pay crazy money in the events they have! If other people here play other online games they know what i am saying now!



So i hope for more events every season and different events! With deterors in the game players must be ready at age 22 or 23! Another important change is to give experience to the players faster and have 9 at age 23 so they can play until 29...

Couple of good points here, very good for gaining experience faster. Also agree that Crew probably need income to make the changes and improvement they posted at beginning of the season. One event, tops, each season is fine though 😄 The chips should be rare and you should have to figure out the best way to use them.

douglaskampl wrote:

10 chips without paying? Lol, first time I played I got only 4. Teach me your ways.

Yeah, I think I got 4 og availabilty and timesavers, and 2 efficiancys. Last time it lasted two weeks that is. And yeah, every 4 hours 😄😭

Sv: another new event: trial of heroes

By freddemand - 25-02-2022 16:58

[TDF]

Really depends on what u need. I have two first team players that I would like to send to camp, then I get two availabilty ones. I Also have a high earning youngster, so I pick one free camp. Generally I prioritize chips that let me use important players while they also can camp without it affecting the teams performance much. I usually sneak in an efficiancy or two as well. Different needs/joys for different people.

emanski7 wrote:

Whats the best chip to use in you guys opinion? 😅

Really depends on what u need. I have two first team players that I would like to send to camp, then I get two availabilty ones. I Also have a high earning youngster, so I pick one free camp. Generally I prioritize chips that let me use important players while they also can camp without it affecting the teams performance much. I usually sneak in an efficiancy or two as well. Different needs/joys for different people.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By k33n3y - 26-02-2022 03:01

As a newish manager. I struggle to survive without events like this. I dont know what the fix is. What doesn't help is exp managers who have the experience, infrastructure, finances and players etc. Don't want this events. So how do new managers bridge the gap?As a newish manager. I struggle to survive without events like this.

I dont know what the fix is. What doesn't help is exp managers who have the experience, infrastructure, finances and players etc. Don't want this events. So how do new managers bridge the gap?

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By chucky06 - 26-02-2022 16:49

[AUSNZ]
President

I’m just happy crew reduced the money from this event. Leave it at chips only and that’s fine. At least it’s fair for everyoneI’m just happy crew reduced the money from this event. Leave it at chips only and that’s fine. At least it’s fair for everyone

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By charef (FA) (NC) - 26-02-2022 19:24

[PV]

Why you weren't happy before ?

chucky06 wrote:

I’m just happy crew reduced the money from this event. Leave it at chips only and that’s fine. At least it’s fair for everyone

Why you weren't happy before ?

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By chucky06 - 27-02-2022 03:32

[AUSNZ]
President

Too much money is being added into the game causing further inflation and transfer prices going further up and up. Can’t keep adding without removing too. 2 x Tours each season, this event etc. that never used to exist

charef wrote:

Why you weren't happy before ?

Too much money is being added into the game causing further inflation and transfer prices going further up and up. Can’t keep adding without removing too. 2 x Tours each season, this event etc. that never used to exist

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By swaan1 - 27-02-2022 04:04

[STARS]

You forget one important aspect. The more More each player cost the higher salery they get. So it will be more cash removed from the game with higher prices over time. Also taxes will be higher with higher prices.

chucky06 wrote:

Too much money is being added into the game causing further inflation and transfer prices going further up and up. Can’t keep adding without removing too. 2 x Tours each season, this event etc. that never used to exist

You forget one important aspect. The more More each player cost the higher salery they get. So it will be more cash removed from the game with higher prices over time. Also taxes will be higher with higher prices.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 27-02-2022 12:10

The biggest benefit of being a club member is all the income (millions) generated from cups and youth leagues. Every single euro or dollar or whatever currency added for all to have dilutes this benefit. That's the whole point (chips awarded work the same way) in how these events (including tours) make MZ a little bit less pay-to-win. You don't have to like that or these events or the inflation they can cause, but that's something to consider and why I found the start of this thread rather strange.The biggest benefit of being a club member is all the income (millions) generated from cups and youth leagues. Every single euro or dollar or whatever currency added for all to have dilutes this benefit. That's the whole point (chips awarded work the same way) in how these events (including tours) make MZ a little bit less pay-to-win. You don't have to like that or these events or the inflation they can cause, but that's something to consider and why I found the start of this thread rather strange.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By k33n3y - 27-02-2022 22:36

Any advice to beat lvl 13- Raptors. They play blanket back 5 mid range. 3 in the middle like a path and 2 up top. I got walloped 5-1 playing SP through the middle with 3-2-3-2 I'll try 4-4-2 and then 5-3-2 unless someone fan suggest a tactic?Any advice to beat lvl 13- Raptors.

They play blanket back 5 mid range. 3 in the middle like a path and 2 up top.

I got walloped 5-1 playing SP through the middle with 3-2-3-2

I'll try 4-4-2 and then 5-3-2 unless someone fan suggest a tactic?

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By chucky06 - 28-02-2022 00:24

[AUSNZ]
President

How is this event less pay to win? The more tokens you buy the more chips you earn. The more chips you get the greater benefit you have. Is that not the definition of pay to win? Yes you can earn chips free but not as many as you can with paying

smaakeloos wrote:

The biggest benefit of being a club member is all the income (millions) generated from cups and youth leagues. Every single euro or dollar or whatever currency added for all to have dilutes this benefit. That's the whole point (chips awarded work the same way) in how these events (including tours) make MZ a little bit less pay-to-win. You don't have to like that or these events or the inflation they can cause, but that's something to consider and why I found the start of this thread rather strange.

How is this event less pay to win? The more tokens you buy the more chips you earn. The more chips you get the greater benefit you have. Is that not the definition of pay to win? Yes you can earn chips free but not as many as you can with paying

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 28-02-2022 02:37

Basically you already answered your own question, by mentioning inflation and transfer prices going up and up. To spell it out: so the extra income you earn as a club member simply buys you less players. Hence the dilution of that benefit. The training chips work in a similar fashion. Just like the OP you only seem to have eyes for the pay-to-win element in the events, but those are not held on an island. First and foremost MZ is pay-to-win because of the perks of club membership, and there it has a mitigating effect.

chucky06 wrote:

How is this event less pay to win? The more tokens you buy the more chips you earn. The more chips you get the greater benefit you have. Is that not the definition of pay to win? Yes you can earn chips free but not as many as you can with paying

Basically you already answered your own question, by mentioning inflation and transfer prices going up and up. To spell it out: so the extra income you earn as a club member simply buys you less players. Hence the dilution of that benefit. The training chips work in a similar fashion. Just like the OP you only seem to have eyes for the pay-to-win element in the events, but those are not held on an island. First and foremost MZ is pay-to-win because of the perks of club membership, and there it has a mitigating effect.

Sv: another new event: trial of heroes

By freddemand - 28-02-2022 13:58

[TDF]

The financial benefits of being a CM aint that big. Noticable for sure, but it wont make you finacially able to buy an extra star player. Pays for your coaches each week. There are only so many cups you can join without paying for extra tokens. Most of all, being just a CM adds a lot of benfits to the user experience, for example u can se where a player is maxed on the training graph as a CM, however without membership u need to wait for the next training report og go thru the process of asking about player maxings on the market.

smaakeloos wrote:

Basically you already answered your own question, by mentioning inflation and transfer prices going up and up. To spell it out: so the extra income you earn as a club member simply buys you less players. Hence the dilution of that benefit. The training chips work in a similar fashion. Just like the OP you only seem to have eyes for the pay-to-win element in the events, but those are not held on an island. First and foremost MZ is pay-to-win because of the perks of club membership, and there it has a mitigating effect.

The financial benefits of being a CM aint that big. Noticable for sure, but it wont make you finacially able to buy an extra star player. Pays for your coaches each week. There are only so many cups you can join without paying for extra tokens. Most of all, being just a CM adds a lot of benfits to the user experience, for example u can se where a player is maxed on the training graph as a CM, however without membership u need to wait for the next training report og go thru the process of asking about player maxings on the market.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 28-02-2022 14:18

My own experience is that when I was a club member all the extra revenues added up to roughly somewhere in the range of 4 to 5 million euros per season. Not the same for everyone of course, had a pretty decent team back then. Agreed not enough to buy an extra star player, but dwarfing the benefit of buying additional training chips.

freddemand wrote:

The financial benefits of being a CM aint that big. Noticable for sure, but it wont make you finacially able to buy an extra star player.

My own experience is that when I was a club member all the extra revenues added up to roughly somewhere in the range of 4 to 5 million euros per season. Not the same for everyone of course, had a pretty decent team back then. Agreed not enough to buy an extra star player, but dwarfing the benefit of buying additional training chips.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 15:00

What extra revenues gets you that much? With only cup games you should be making into top8 on like 10 tournaments per season to get that high pay outs and with a decent team kind of hard to do so.What extra revenues gets you that much? With only cup games you should be making into top8 on like 10 tournaments per season to get that high pay outs and with a decent team kind of hard to do so.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 28-02-2022 15:23

Especially things like Season Cups and National Cups were easy gold mines. Often with three teams (also u23 and u18) simultaneously, so that accumulates quickly. Plenty of cups with not a lot competition around for most (not all).

jere92 wrote:

What extra revenues gets you that much? With only cup games you should be making into top8 on like 10 tournaments per season to get that high pay outs and with a decent team kind of hard to do so.

Especially things like Season Cups and National Cups were easy gold mines. Often with three teams (also u23 and u18) simultaneously, so that accumulates quickly. Plenty of cups with not a lot competition around for most (not all).

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 15:59

Yeah I do well in those cups aswell but getting into that much money requires more. With Season and National cups I would say its closer to 2 to 3 million from ticket incomes and prizes. But it also requires you to go into end in those. P2W reference is bit odd tho as you only get the participation to these tournaments not the final spot in the tournament. Last season I got 2,7M extra sales and 300K prize moneys from tournaments.Yeah I do well in those cups aswell but getting into that much money requires more. With Season and National cups I would say its closer to 2 to 3 million from ticket incomes and prizes. But it also requires you to go into end in those. P2W reference is bit odd tho as you only get the participation to these tournaments not the final spot in the tournament. Last season I got 2,7M extra sales and 300K prize moneys from tournaments.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 28-02-2022 16:10

So you make 3 million, I made 4 to 5 million, some will make 1 to 2 million, topteams will make even way more than 5 million, and non club members make next to nothing (the occasional free cup with the maximum amount of competition). P2W avant la lettre.

jere92 wrote:

P2W reference is bit odd tho as you only get the participation to these tournaments not the final spot in the tournament.

So you make 3 million, I made 4 to 5 million, some will make 1 to 2 million, topteams will make even way more than 5 million, and non club members make next to nothing (the occasional free cup with the maximum amount of competition). P2W avant la lettre.

Sv: another new event: trial of heroes

By freddemand - 28-02-2022 16:54

[TDF]

That cannot be correct? That equals board payout (sesong break and end bonus) for 3,5 seasons. An average cup game (group stage) gives u just north of 900 euros. That would require 61 cup games each day 😄 Then there are money for winning some of them and maybe more revenue for play off games. Anyway, my point is not the numbers you mention, however, paying 6 euroes a month can hardly be called p2w. U merely pay a small contribution and get a subscription that gives you good perks regarding user experience and the possibility to enter the official cups. As jere92 points out, the road from there to 4-5 mill a season requires something quite different.

smaakeloos wrote:

My own experience is that when I was a club member all the extra revenues added up to roughly somewhere in the range of 4 to 5 million euros per season. Not the same for everyone of course, had a pretty decent team back then. Agreed not enough to buy an extra star player, but dwarfing the benefit of buying additional training chips.

That cannot be correct? That equals board payout (sesong break and end bonus) for 3,5 seasons. An average cup game (group stage) gives u just north of 900 euros. That would require 61 cup games each day 😄 Then there are money for winning some of them and maybe more revenue for play off games. Anyway, my point is not the numbers you mention, however, paying 6 euroes a month can hardly be called p2w. U merely pay a small contribution and get a subscription that gives you good perks regarding user experience and the possibility to enter the official cups. As jere92 points out, the road from there to 4-5 mill a season requires something quite different.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 28-02-2022 17:39

The numbers I have mentioned are most definitely correct. But I get why you don't get it. The biggest chunk is income from matches in the latter stages of cups (last 16, especially last 8, and full amount is last 4). A quick glance at your cup history tells me that you've only reached that stage once. Apparently too much of one-off for you to pay attention how much money that generated for you, or you were extremely unlucky drawing only away matches. You can't be serious. But ok, let's call it p18eas2w (pay 18 euros a season-to-win). Quite the opposite. He said he made 3 million last season, with also at a glance only very good performances in local cups.

freddemand wrote:

That cannot be correct? That equals board payout (sesong break and end bonus) for 3,5 seasons. An average cup game (group stage) gives u just north of 900 euros. That would require 61 cup games each day 😄 Then there are money for winning some of them and maybe more revenue for play off games.

The numbers I have mentioned are most definitely correct. But I get why you don't get it. The biggest chunk is income from matches in the latter stages of cups (last 16, especially last 8, and full amount is last 4). A quick glance at your cup history tells me that you've only reached that stage once. Apparently too much of one-off for you to pay attention how much money that generated for you, or you were extremely unlucky drawing only away matches.

freddemand wrote:

Anyway, my point is not the numbers you mention, however, paying 6 euroes a month can hardly be called p2w.

You can't be serious. But ok, let's call it p18eas2w (pay 18 euros a season-to-win).

freddemand wrote:

As jere92 points out, the road from there to 4-5 mill a season requires something quite different.

Quite the opposite. He said he made 3 million last season, with also at a glance only very good performances in local cups.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 18:11

I looked your history and you talking about right your high season was 74 that I looked quickly here is comparasion of our incomes from my last season and your 74th season you made top16 playoffs 10 times and I did 7 times. [b]Top 16 ~ 100k earning[/b] 3 - 2 300k - 200k [b]Top 8 ~ 200k earning[/b] 0 - 4 0 - 800k [b]Top 4 ~ 500k earning[/b] 4 - 4 2M - 2M [b]Total earnings[/b] 2,3M - 3M This only counts the top 16 cup game incomes and there is ofc alot of group income and top32 ect earnings aswell that aren accounted into these numbers. But tbf these aren't average joes incomes as you really need to do something to get these moneys. Its not like P2W in a way I see P2W. You give money you get something. Im not against club membership and im not against this event I think it's refreshing they added these training chips to create more decisions for managers to decide whos worth to use them on ect. Im not paying any extra tokens in this event cause I don't see these tokens that valuable outside of Time and Effiency chips so there is 8 tokens total that are worth in my eyes to be spending on. These chips are anyway used to train players that are already generated and can be used on shitty players. If this event offered loyal players with 4HP potentials ect then I would be mad about it. Like in online games pay money get better stats on armor, pay money get guaranteed or ready high skills on player. I see P2W as already mentioned what you get when you give the money? In managerzone P2W you don't get anything guaranteed by buying memberships or some training tokens. You need to work on those end goals anyway even if you pay money. Like said thing would be different if you could go to the shop area and exchange tokens into team money or ready developed players that pop into your team when you pay..I looked your history and you talking about right your high season was 74 that I looked quickly here is comparasion of our incomes from my last season and your 74th season you made top16 playoffs 10 times and I did 7 times.

Top 16 ~ 100k earning
3 - 2
300k - 200k

Top 8 ~ 200k earning
0 - 4
0 - 800k

Top 4 ~ 500k earning
4 - 4
2M - 2M

Total earnings
2,3M - 3M

This only counts the top 16 cup game incomes and there is ofc alot of group income and top32 ect earnings aswell that aren accounted into these numbers.

But tbf these aren't average joes incomes as you really need to do something to get these moneys. Its not like P2W in a way I see P2W. You give money you get something. Im not against club membership and im not against this event I think it's refreshing they added these training chips to create more decisions for managers to decide whos worth to use them on ect. Im not paying any extra tokens in this event cause I don't see these tokens that valuable outside of Time and Effiency chips so there is 8 tokens total that are worth in my eyes to be spending on.

These chips are anyway used to train players that are already generated and can be used on shitty players. If this event offered loyal players with 4HP potentials ect then I would be mad about it. Like in online games pay money get better stats on armor, pay money get guaranteed or ready high skills on player.

I see P2W as already mentioned what you get when you give the money? In managerzone P2W you don't get anything guaranteed by buying memberships or some training tokens. You need to work on those end goals anyway even if you pay money. Like said thing would be different if you could go to the shop area and exchange tokens into team money or ready developed players that pop into your team when you pay..

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 18:17

And the counting up doesn't have cup prize moneys addedAnd the counting up doesn't have cup prize moneys added

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 18:33

Im adding these numbers here as they are in another topic here on forums about cup earnings. [b](Both league play + Friendlies + Cup playoff matches) (1 x Top32, 3 x Top16, 2 x Top8)[/b] Facility takings 389 738 EUR Ticket sales 503 393 EUR [b](Both league play + Friendlies + 3x Cup Semifinals and finals )[/b] Facility takings 494 034 EUR Ticket sales 697 695 EUR Both league play meaning youth and senior. Friendlies being two home friendlies. And those are my two week ticket and facility income from season 79. I played in these tournaments back then. 18-09-2021 Team came in 6 in Season 52 Cup - Season 79. 18-09-2021 Team came in 5 in U23 Season 52 Cup - Season 79. 17-09-2021 Team came in 16 in Defenders Cup - S79. 11-09-2021 Team came in 3 in National Cup Finland - Season 79. 11-09-2021 Team came in 2 in U18 - National Cup Finland - Season 79. 11-09-2021 Team came in 2 in U23 - National Cup Finland - Season 79.Im adding these numbers here as they are in another topic here on forums about cup earnings.

(Both league play + Friendlies + Cup playoff matches) (1 x Top32, 3 x Top16, 2 x Top8)
Facility takings 389 738 EUR
Ticket sales 503 393 EUR

(Both league play + Friendlies + 3x Cup Semifinals and finals )
Facility takings 494 034 EUR
Ticket sales 697 695 EUR

Both league play meaning youth and senior. Friendlies being two home friendlies. And those are my two week ticket and facility income from season 79.

I played in these tournaments back then.

18-09-2021 Team came in 6 in Season 52 Cup - Season 79.
18-09-2021 Team came in 5 in U23 Season 52 Cup - Season 79.
17-09-2021 Team came in 16 in Defenders Cup - S79.
11-09-2021 Team came in 3 in National Cup Finland - Season 79.
11-09-2021 Team came in 2 in U18 - National Cup Finland - Season 79.
11-09-2021 Team came in 2 in U23 - National Cup Finland - Season 79.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smufli - 28-02-2022 18:48

[MZ]

Does the "Multiplier Booster 8 hours" reset the counter?Does the "Multiplier Booster 8 hours" reset the counter?

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 28-02-2022 18:49

Jere, have you taken into account that due to the sheer lack of teams your national cups start the final stages with semi finals? So when comparing you miss out on almost half the income (no quarter finals or round of last 16). Only playing half the matches and still netting 3 million, figure that. And to avoid misunderstandings: I have also counted the income from youth leagues (no idea how much they generated).Jere, have you taken into account that due to the sheer lack of teams your national cups start the final stages with semi finals? So when comparing you miss out on almost half the income (no quarter finals or round of last 16). Only playing half the matches and still netting 3 million, figure that. And to avoid misunderstandings: I have also counted the income from youth leagues (no idea how much they generated).

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 19:15

Youth leagues give you about 20k€ per home match. 3 different leagues gives you 33 home matches per season 33 x 20 = 660k€ World Leagues gives you about 5k per home match. 2 different leagues give you 66 home matches per season 66 x 5 = 330k€ Top8 home match income this week. 2022-02-26 Ticket sales 59 550 EUR 2022-02-26 Facility takings 90 255 EUR Top16 game payed -30% that income. Was away game. 2022-02-24 Ticket sales 42 080 EUR To average these numbers we need to put 100k per match and that is counting up.. Semi finals and Finals pay about 150k per match.. 1 home 1 away..Youth leagues give you about 20k€ per home match. 3 different leagues gives you 33 home matches per season

33 x 20 = 660k€

World Leagues gives you about 5k per home match. 2 different leagues give you 66 home matches per season

66 x 5 = 330k€

Top8 home match income this week.
2022-02-26 Ticket sales 59 550 EUR
2022-02-26 Facility takings 90 255 EUR

Top16 game payed -30% that income. Was away game.
2022-02-24 Ticket sales 42 080 EUR

To average these numbers we need to put 100k per match and that is counting up..

Semi finals and Finals pay about 150k per match.. 1 home 1 away..

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 19:24

Oh yeah I made only 1.3M~ on those top4 placements good spotting so im totaling at 1.6M€Oh yeah I made only 1.3M~ on those top4 placements good spotting so im totaling at 1.6M€

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 28-02-2022 19:33

Looks like we are in agreement then. Your 3 million translates in 4,4 million for me that season according to your numbers.Looks like we are in agreement then. Your 3 million translates in 4,4 million for me that season according to your numbers.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 19:48

I looked your history and you talking about right was my first statement after I counted the numbers. But youth or world leagues aren't CM feature as you need to pay them seperately thats why i didn't include them and those countings still don't have those prize moneys that you get at the end of tournament so there is money adding to be done as its only ticket sales. About Youth and World leagues Youth league season cost in bulk 15 tokens = 660k World league season cost in bulk 15 tokens = 330k You can technically transfer this as 30 tokens for 1M cash. As it is guaranteed ticket sales and having CM doesn't guarantee millions of money like we have been able to get. So if something is technically P2W it is those leagues.. :DI looked your history and you talking about right was my first statement after I counted the numbers. But youth or world leagues aren't CM feature as you need to pay them seperately thats why i didn't include them and those countings still don't have those prize moneys that you get at the end of tournament so there is money adding to be done as its only ticket sales.

About Youth and World leagues

Youth league season cost in bulk 15 tokens = 660k
World league season cost in bulk 15 tokens = 330k
You can technically transfer this as 30 tokens for 1M cash.

As it is guaranteed ticket sales and having CM doesn't guarantee millions of money like we have been able to get. So if something is technically P2W it is those leagues.. :D

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By smaakeloos - 28-02-2022 20:31

No no no! You still have to avoid walkovers. It gives you no guarantees and you have to work keeping your tactics valid, so no P2W! At least that's what I've learned from this thread, the hard way...

jere92 wrote:

So if something is technically P2W it is those leagues.. :D

No no no! You still have to avoid walkovers. It gives you no guarantees and you have to work keeping your tactics valid, so no P2W! At least that's what I've learned from this thread, the hard way...

Sv: another new event: trial of heroes

By freddemand - 01-03-2022 15:51

[TDF]

My point too, still a lot of uncertainty and work to be done to get to the top. Ever played Raid: Shadow legends? :p Holy... Both paying for CM and access to Uxx leagues are simply paying for more content imo. Even though I agree that it might have looked that way, I didnt mean to insinuate that it was not true :) Was just shocked by the numbers. If you are talking about the U23 national cup, then yeah, I think that is correct. It is the only cup I have tried to go far in.

jere92 wrote:

But tbf these aren't average joes incomes as you really need to do something to get these moneys. Its not like P2W in a way I see P2W. You give money you get something. Im not against club membership and im not against this event I think it's refreshing they added these training chips to create more decisions for managers to decide whos worth to use them on ect. Im not paying any extra tokens in this event cause I don't see these tokens that valuable outside of Time and Effiency chips so there is 8 tokens total that are worth in my eyes to be spending on.

These chips are anyway used to train players that are already generated and can be used on shitty players. If this event offered loyal players with 4HP potentials ect then I would be mad about it. Like in online games pay money get better stats on armor, pay money get guaranteed or ready high skills on player.

I see P2W as already mentioned what you get when you give the money? In managerzone P2W you don't get anything guaranteed by buying memberships or some training tokens. You need to work on those end goals anyway even if you pay money. Like said thing would be different if you could go to the shop area and exchange tokens into team money or ready developed players that pop into your team when you pay..

My point too, still a lot of uncertainty and work to be done to get to the top. Ever played Raid: Shadow legends? :p Holy...

Both paying for CM and access to Uxx leagues are simply paying for more content imo.

smaakeloos wrote:

The numbers I have mentioned are most definitely correct. But I get why you don't get it. The biggest chunk is income from matches in the latter stages of cups (last 16, especially last 8, and full amount is last 4). A quick glance at your cup history tells me that you've only reached that stage once. Apparently too much of one-off for you to pay attention how much money that generated for you, or you were extremely unlucky drawing only away matches.

Even though I agree that it might have looked that way, I didnt mean to insinuate that it was not true :) Was just shocked by the numbers. If you are talking about the U23 national cup, then yeah, I think that is correct. It is the only cup I have tried to go far in.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By douglaskampl - 01-03-2022 16:49

[BRAU18]
President

It doesn't

smufli wrote:

Does the "Multiplier Booster 8 hours" reset the counter?

It doesn't

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By kin_gls2 - 01-03-2022 17:03

[MM]

I'm happy they are not giving milions of euros out... at least now the amount of free cash is significantly lower...I'm happy they are not giving milions of euros out... at least now the amount of free cash is significantly lower...

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By k33n3y - 02-03-2022 15:58

Advice on beating lvl 14.Advice on beating lvl 14.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By k33n3y - 04-03-2022 01:09

Well seen as nobody was willing to help. I overcome level 13 with the following 4 defenders high line. 3 central and 1 far left. 2 DMs 1 CM middle of both DMs 1 AM slightly right of CM 1 Fwd in line with CM 1 striker slightly right in line with AM. Level 14 I used the following 1 Centre back mid line. 2 FBs mid line far out wide.. 2 DMs 1 DM/CM. Almost like a Xmas tree with DMs, FBs and CB. 2 CMs and 1 AM. In line and mirroring the DMs and DM/CM Then 1 central striker. Both Short Passing. Normal pressure and normal mentality.. Hope this helps. Assistance for lvl 15 would be helpful.Well seen as nobody was willing to help.

I overcome level 13 with the following

4 defenders high line. 3 central and 1 far left.
2 DMs
1 CM middle of both DMs
1 AM slightly right of CM
1 Fwd in line with CM
1 striker slightly right in line with AM.

Level 14 I used the following

1 Centre back mid line.
2 FBs mid line far out wide..
2 DMs
1 DM/CM. Almost like a Xmas tree with DMs, FBs and CB.
2 CMs and 1 AM. In line and mirroring the DMs and DM/CM
Then 1 central striker.

Both Short Passing. Normal pressure and normal mentality..
Hope this helps.

Assistance for lvl 15 would be helpful.

Re: another new event: trial of heroes

By k33n3y - 04-03-2022 01:12

Random question but do teams playing wing tactic easily beat these events to lvl 17 or 18? With SP and narrow formation I can coast to lvl 12 but then becom3 unstuck. Does anyone playing wing tactic can coast with your normal formation to a certain level? Anyon3 willing to be honest?Random question but do teams playing wing tactic easily beat these events to lvl 17 or 18?

With SP and narrow formation I can coast to lvl 12 but then becom3 unstuck.

Does anyone playing wing tactic can coast with your normal formation to a certain level? Anyon3 willing to be honest?

 

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