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Poor quality youth

By mazides - 27-02-2022 05:51

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President

I have noticed from the beginning of this season that new youth as well as players from the youth exchange are very poor in skills. I might have just been unlucky as the sample is not big enough to make confident assumptions but my feeling is that the new training boosters provided by the special events have really weakened the transfer market - Presonally I am struggling to sell players this season - and the admins are trying to counterbalance this by making good quality youth hard to get. What do you think?I have noticed from the beginning of this season that new youth as well as players from the youth exchange are very poor in skills. I might have just been unlucky as the sample is not big enough to make confident assumptions but my feeling is that the new training boosters provided by the special events have really weakened the transfer market - Presonally I am struggling to sell players this season - and the admins are trying to counterbalance this by making good quality youth hard to get.
What do you think?

 

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Re: Poor quality youth

By mazides - 27-02-2022 05:52

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President

I mean the transfer market is weakened because people now prefer to develop players rather than buy themI mean the transfer market is weakened because people now prefer to develop players rather than buy them

Re: Poor quality youth

By jere92 - 27-02-2022 09:29

[fpl=219813211] HP 3* Stamina, Tackling, LP 1* Heading, Set Plays I got this guy 4 days ago from exchange, he hasn't yet gained a ball so this was his starting point. So I would say its just random. I would say transfer market is going through after effects of potential tools release. Now that people have used it more and more and learnt its mechanics players either cost nothing or millions. We actually have tons of information about the marketed players so its easier to skip half ass potential and just go big. Same applies to our own youth academies its more easier to spot real potential than earlier so relying on market isn't that necessary anymore to fill failed youths.

Saul Salomaa

Age: 25

HP 3* Stamina, Tackling, LP 1* Heading, Set Plays

I got this guy 4 days ago from exchange, he hasn't yet gained a ball so this was his starting point. So I would say its just random.

I would say transfer market is going through after effects of potential tools release. Now that people have used it more and more and learnt its mechanics players either cost nothing or millions. We actually have tons of information about the marketed players so its easier to skip half ass potential and just go big. Same applies to our own youth academies its more easier to spot real potential than earlier so relying on market isn't that necessary anymore to fill failed youths.

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 27-02-2022 22:39

25 initial balls? No way. Surely you didn't pull this. That's scandalous. I've had pure rubbish for 2 seasons now. Truly awful combos which make no sense. I've got some players 3hp and 2 lp. But they have like stam or speed as LP. Or they'll have BC or pass as LP.25 initial balls?

No way. Surely you didn't pull this. That's scandalous.

I've had pure rubbish for 2 seasons now. Truly awful combos which make no sense.

I've got some players 3hp and 2 lp. But they have like stam or speed as LP. Or they'll have BC or pass as LP.

Re: Poor quality youth

By chucky06 - 28-02-2022 00:21

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President

Yeh exactly. The new youth system and the introduction of HP/LP has polarised the market. It gives you too much information and managers don’t have the need to take risks anymore or gamble on players. They’d rather just spend more and not take the risks.

jere92 wrote:

Saul Salomaa

Age: 25

HP 3* Stamina, Tackling, LP 1* Heading, Set Plays

I got this guy 4 days ago from exchange, he hasn't yet gained a ball so this was his starting point. So I would say its just random.

I would say transfer market is going through after effects of potential tools release. Now that people have used it more and more and learnt its mechanics players either cost nothing or millions. We actually have tons of information about the marketed players so its easier to skip half ass potential and just go big. Same applies to our own youth academies its more easier to spot real potential than earlier so relying on market isn't that necessary anymore to fill failed youths.

Yeh exactly. The new youth system and the introduction of HP/LP has polarised the market. It gives you too much information and managers don’t have the need to take risks anymore or gamble on players. They’d rather just spend more and not take the risks.

Re: Poor quality youth

By douglaskampl - 28-02-2022 00:36

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President

That's some insane luck. Youths with good scout report often come with an embarrassing amount of balls, naked. And the ones who arrive at the club full of nice balls usually have an embarrassing scout report. Hard to get a player better than the one you got. This is my best one, just sent him to the TC: [fpl=219745053] He is a H2, however (tackling and play intelligence, if that makes things better).

jere92 wrote:

Saul Salomaa

Age: 25

That's some insane luck. Youths with good scout report often come with an embarrassing amount of balls, naked. And the ones who arrive at the club full of nice balls usually have an embarrassing scout report. Hard to get a player better than the one you got.

This is my best one, just sent him to the TC:

Nilson Nóbrega

Age: 25

He is a H2, however (tackling and play intelligence, if that makes things better).

Re: Poor quality youth

By douglaskampl - 28-02-2022 00:37

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President

The quality of youth players was reduced after this scout report thing as pointed in other old topics, but most managers are also asking for perfect players only. That would be boring.The quality of youth players was reduced after this scout report thing as pointed in other old topics, but most managers are also asking for perfect players only. That would be boring.

Re: Poor quality youth

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 01:44

Im not really sure if they reduced the quality. Now we just really look them through scout report and thats why its harder to get on combination with both the good report and starting balls. Earlier we would have picked anything with high amounts of balls and take a chance with it. Okey thats higher end youth with the balls. Two of his age fellows next to him has 22 and 23 balls but they both have been camped for the season already. Probably got little blinded by that. These are my starting balls for this seasons HP3+ youths. 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 25. The dude I showed actually insane..Im not really sure if they reduced the quality. Now we just really look them through scout report and thats why its harder to get on combination with both the good report and starting balls. Earlier we would have picked anything with high amounts of balls and take a chance with it.

Okey thats higher end youth with the balls. Two of his age fellows next to him has 22 and 23 balls but they both have been camped for the season already. Probably got little blinded by that. These are my starting balls for this seasons HP3+ youths. 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 25. The dude I showed actually insane..

Re: Poor quality youth

By jere92 - 28-02-2022 01:51

And I dont keep 2* players so if I recall right I have rejected many +20 ball players just because they dont have 3* potential. If this 25 baller had 2* potential i would have rejected him aswell.And I dont keep 2* players so if I recall right I have rejected many +20 ball players just because they dont have 3* potential. If this 25 baller had 2* potential i would have rejected him aswell.

Re: Poor quality youth

By charef (FA) (NC) - 28-02-2022 16:53

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Same . Never been struggling training good youth like these last seasons.Same .

Never been struggling training good youth like these last seasons.

Re: Poor quality youth

By maradona1960 - 01-03-2022 00:55

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I agree jere92 me the same i train only 3 and 4 stars! i never keep a player with 2 stars! Now for the threat here i disagree that chips make worst the transfer market! exactly the opposite. Chips help to have more super players in transfer list and some managers wins some super money! i buy before some days a keeper that without chips will have these balls after 3 or 4 seasons more! But of course i pay 9M euros to buy him and he is only 21 years old player! Here you can see his skills and if you see his training graph you will see that he have 3 training camps with super boost of +50% higher efficiency! [fpl=215568895] Personal opinion is that academy is just luck! if you are lucky and the game sends you 4 stars players you will make stars and you will win money for your team! if you dont have luck you must have patience! Now in my academy i have 8 4 stars players training! Of course i never forget to exchange my bad 2 stars players! Here is my biggest star in my academy! 4 star HP speed shooting 2 stars LP keeping set plays! [fpl=218203991] Its a good subject here to see also some super U16-U18 players so to understand better the power of the new chips! So to close my opinion, i think that you are unlucky and you must have patience and hope in the future to write here that you have great players in your academy!I agree jere92 me the same i train only 3 and 4 stars! i never keep a player with 2 stars!

Now for the threat here i disagree that chips make worst the transfer market! exactly the opposite. Chips help to have more super players in transfer list and some managers wins some super money! i buy before some days a keeper that without chips will have these balls after 3 or 4 seasons more! But of course i pay 9M euros to buy him and he is only 21 years old player! Here you can see his skills and if you see his training graph you will see that he have 3 training camps with super boost of +50% higher efficiency!

魏亮宇

Age: 30

Personal opinion is that academy is just luck! if you are lucky and the game sends you 4 stars players you will make stars and you will win money for your team! if you dont have luck you must have patience! Now in my academy i have 8 4 stars players training! Of course i never forget to exchange my bad 2 stars players!
Here is my biggest star in my academy! 4 star HP speed shooting 2 stars LP keeping set plays!

Tadeusz Raschke

Age: 27

SpeedSp					(10)
StaminaSt					(10)
Play IntelligencePI					(9)
PassingPa					(8)
ShootingSh					(10)
HeadingHe					(8)
KeepingKe					(1)
Ball ControlBC					(9)
TacklingTa					(8)
Aerial PassingAP					(7)
Set PlaysSP					(3)
ExperienceEx					(9)
FormFo					(9)
Total Skill Balls					83

Its a good subject here to see also some super U16-U18 players so to understand better the power of the new chips!

So to close my opinion, i think that you are unlucky and you must have patience and hope in the future to write here that you have great players in your academy!

Re: Poor quality youth

By douglaskampl - 01-03-2022 02:36

[BRAU18]
President

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=news&nid=95906&share_sport=soccer Refer to the rebalancing part. Since players' strengths and weaknesses weren't explicitly displayed before this update, I guess H4 were more common than today, and many ended up being discarded of course. Now, we have the scout report and therefore the quality of players was reduced in order to keep the game at least a little bit challenging. But actually I have no complaints. I am still able to produce great players ~ some I just discard because I am a U18 weirdo. And of course luck still plays a big part, even if you know the best two attributes from age 16. Because there are other attributes…

jere92 wrote:

Im not really sure if they reduced the quality. Now we just really look them through scout report and thats why its harder to get on combination with both the good report and starting balls. Earlier we would have picked anything with high amounts of balls and take a chance with it.

Okey thats higher end youth with the balls. Two of his age fellows next to him has 22 and 23 balls but they both have been camped for the season already. Probably got little blinded by that. These are my starting balls for this seasons HP3+ youths. 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 25. The dude I showed actually insane..

https://www.managerzone.com/?p=news&nid=95906&share_sport=soccer

Refer to the rebalancing part.

Since players' strengths and weaknesses weren't explicitly displayed before this update, I guess H4 were more common than today, and many ended up being discarded of course.

Now, we have the scout report and therefore the quality of players was reduced in order to keep the game at least a little bit challenging.

But actually I have no complaints. I am still able to produce great players ~ some I just discard because I am a U18 weirdo.

And of course luck still plays a big part, even if you know the best two attributes from age 16. Because there are other attributes…

Re: Poor quality youth

By swaan1 - 01-03-2022 03:45

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IF you discard all hp2 players you will missout on some realy good players. O . Hp4 players have a real low droprate. And to get it with a nice combo IS even more rare. Expected time to get a realy good combo of HP4 lp2 and nice speed should be around 1/250 youth players. And IF you Are unlucky it could be even worse ofc.IF you discard all hp2 players you will missout on some realy good players. O

. Hp4 players have a real low droprate. And to get it with a nice combo IS even more rare. Expected time to get a realy good combo of HP4 lp2 and nice speed should be around 1/250 youth players. And IF you Are unlucky it could be even worse ofc.

Re: Poor quality youth

By jere92 - 01-03-2022 08:35

@douglaskampl I can't say about potential changes and im not talking about that. I have been thinking we are talking about the quality of youths when they come in. Getting 10-20 starting balls have been normal before everything imo so on that regard i dont think their quality hasn't dropped. OP started stating that new youths are very poor in skills not in potential. @swaan1 [fpl=213503239] HP3 PI, Heading. LP2 Stamina, Shooting. Is this really good player? If this is the absolute best that 2* players can get you, they are no use for me. This player firstly maxed Stamina on 7 at that point I was having high hopes this coming next big defender on my team. Shortly after everything shattered when he maxed speed and tackling 8. He was useless at this point in the long run, maybe he still could have become slow Winger or something. Maxing BC and AP 8,7. Not even good for Winger. Well PI probably goes 9 maybe as im thinking other of his HP is 8 balls and the other 10. But that doesn't save this player either. Its either 10,8 or 9,9 maybe even as there so many 8 balls he is 9,8 but at that point he probably should show as HP2? What I have read about HP2 they can only reach 1 skill 9-10 and that alone makes player average at best not good.@douglaskampl

I can't say about potential changes and im not talking about that. I have been thinking we are talking about the quality of youths when they come in. Getting 10-20 starting balls have been normal before everything imo so on that regard i dont think their quality hasn't dropped. OP started stating that new youths are very poor in skills not in potential.

@swaan1

Pertti Vallin

Age: 32

HP3 PI, Heading. LP2 Stamina, Shooting.

Is this really good player? If this is the absolute best that 2* players can get you, they are no use for me. This player firstly maxed Stamina on 7 at that point I was having high hopes this coming next big defender on my team. Shortly after everything shattered when he maxed speed and tackling 8. He was useless at this point in the long run, maybe he still could have become slow Winger or something. Maxing BC and AP 8,7. Not even good for Winger. Well PI probably goes 9 maybe as im thinking other of his HP is 8 balls and the other 10. But that doesn't save this player either. Its either 10,8 or 9,9 maybe even as there so many 8 balls he is 9,8 but at that point he probably should show as HP2? What I have read about HP2 they can only reach 1 skill 9-10 and that alone makes player average at best not good.

Re: Poor quality youth

By douglaskampl - 01-03-2022 14:42

[BRAU18]
President

I didn't notice the focus was the initial amount of balls. Sorry, my bad. I'm not sure if this particular aspect of youth quality has changed after the aforementioned update. 10-20 is the rule for almost all youth players, but there is a huge gap between 10 and 20, could be a difference worth an entire season of training. I wonder if 10-15 balls youths are more common than 16-20 balls ones. What do you think? Plus, it's hard enough to pull a youth with more than 20 balls, and when you finally manage to, his scout report is almost guaranteed to be crap. It seems that the game rebalances the youths by giving a poor amount of balls to the ones with good scout report or a poor scout report to the ones with a nice amount of balls. There is always this trade-off. There are exceptions like your player Saul Salomaa, which is good in both departments, but for me it's just a case of you being blessed by Managerzone gods. (I'm not complaining though. Just pointing random stuff. I think this balance is welcome and I am still able to develop good players.)I didn't notice the focus was the initial amount of balls. Sorry, my bad. I'm not sure if this particular aspect of youth quality has changed after the aforementioned update.

10-20 is the rule for almost all youth players, but there is a huge gap between 10 and 20, could be a difference worth an entire season of training. I wonder if 10-15 balls youths are more common than 16-20 balls ones. What do you think?

Plus, it's hard enough to pull a youth with more than 20 balls, and when you finally manage to, his scout report is almost guaranteed to be crap. It seems that the game rebalances the youths by giving a poor amount of balls to the ones with good scout report or a poor scout report to the ones with a nice amount of balls. There is always this trade-off. There are exceptions like your player Saul Salomaa, which is good in both departments, but for me it's just a case of you being blessed by Managerzone gods.

(I'm not complaining though. Just pointing random stuff. I think this balance is welcome and I am still able to develop good players.)

Re: Poor quality youth

By swaan1 - 02-03-2022 03:41

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I would say if you get over 2m euro for a player he IS somewhat decent. Seen many hp2 players go for more then that also. Personally i have made 7m+ profit on diffrent hp2 players that i can remember. It IS most likley more. But just to be clear hp2 IS the worst HP you can have. But with nice HP lp combo and trainingspeed they can be good for sure.

jere92 wrote:

@douglaskampl

I can't say about potential changes and im not talking about that. I have been thinking we are talking about the quality of youths when they come in. Getting 10-20 starting balls have been normal before everything imo so on that regard i dont think their quality hasn't dropped. OP started stating that new youths are very poor in skills not in potential.

@swaan1

Pertti Vallin

Age: 32

HP3 PI, Heading. LP2 Stamina, Shooting.

Is this really good player? If this is the absolute best that 2* players can get you, they are no use for me. This player firstly maxed Stamina on 7 at that point I was having high hopes this coming next big defender on my team. Shortly after everything shattered when he maxed speed and tackling 8. He was useless at this point in the long run, maybe he still could have become slow Winger or something. Maxing BC and AP 8,7. Not even good for Winger. Well PI probably goes 9 maybe as im thinking other of his HP is 8 balls and the other 10. But that doesn't save this player either. Its either 10,8 or 9,9 maybe even as there so many 8 balls he is 9,8 but at that point he probably should show as HP2? What I have read about HP2 they can only reach 1 skill 9-10 and that alone makes player average at best not good.

I would say if you get over 2m euro for a player he IS somewhat decent. Seen many hp2 players go for more then that also. Personally i have made 7m+ profit on diffrent hp2 players that i can remember. It IS most likley more. But just to be clear hp2 IS the worst HP you can have. But with nice HP lp combo and trainingspeed they can be good for sure.

Re: Poor quality youth

By jere92 - 02-03-2022 06:45

That combination probably is good for U21/U23 competition but I would say no matter how good the combination is they aren't much of use in senior level. And you probably haven't sold those hp2 when they were over 22?That combination probably is good for U21/U23 competition but I would say no matter how good the combination is they aren't much of use in senior level. And you probably haven't sold those hp2 when they were over 22?

Re: Poor quality youth

By jere92 - 02-03-2022 06:47

@douglaskampl These are my starting balls for this seasons HP3+ youths. 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 25. So taking out of Saul Salomaa the average is ~15 balls for me and all of those youths has hp3.@douglaskampl

These are my starting balls for this seasons HP3+ youths. 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 25.

So taking out of Saul Salomaa the average is ~15 balls for me and all of those youths has hp3.

Re: Poor quality youth

By jere92 - 02-03-2022 08:11

[fpl=219844243] Just moments ago swapped this guy into my team Speed Setplays 3* Tackling Keeping 2* 20 balls Replaced him with Shooting Setplays 3* Stamina Keeping 2* 14 balls Other two candidates were also 3HP players. One with keeping hp with 0 keeper balls 11 ball total and the other Hp3 Speed, Shooting and LP2 Stamina, Play Int this guy also had only 11 balls. Sacked both of them ofc.

Eero Mäkiaho

Age: 25

Just moments ago swapped this guy into my team

Speed Setplays 3*
Tackling Keeping 2*
20 balls

Replaced him with

Shooting Setplays 3*
Stamina Keeping 2*
14 balls

Other two candidates were also 3HP players. One with keeping hp with 0 keeper balls 11 ball total and the other Hp3 Speed, Shooting and LP2 Stamina, Play Int this guy also had only 11 balls. Sacked both of them ofc.

Re: Poor quality youth

By swaan1 - 02-03-2022 15:36

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A friend of mine had this player, cant remember if he sold at age 26 or 27 (hp2)( he also made alot of profit on the player) [img]http://mzimage.com/image.php?lang=se&design=1:000000:000000:::&player=hp2%2520player:::27::&atts=8:8:8:8:7:2:2:8:8:9:2:10:9&mzv=false[/img] I would say he is a good player even on senior level. Even if hp2 mostly will generate cash for u21/u23. Once again.[u] Hp 2 is not optimal[/u] but if you never pick hp2 you will miss some good players. But if you get a Hp2 player with 25 ball when he come to your club and he have 3-4 in traning speed and the hp/lp combo is good, I suggest you atleast give it a chance since it could be profitable, even thou many of them will fail (like all other hp/lp) But if you hate Hp2 nothing is forcing you to pick them =)

jere92 wrote:

That combination probably is good for U21/U23 competition but I would say no matter how good the combination is they aren't much of use in senior level. And you probably haven't sold those hp2 when they were over 22?

A friend of mine had this player, cant remember if he sold at age 26 or 27 (hp2)( he also made alot of profit on the player)

I would say he is a good player even on senior level. Even if hp2 mostly will generate cash for u21/u23.

Once again. Hp 2 is not optimal but if you never pick hp2 you will miss some good players. But if you get a Hp2 player with 25 ball when he come to your club and he have 3-4 in traning speed and the hp/lp combo is good, I suggest you atleast give it a chance since it could be profitable, even thou many of them will fail (like all other hp/lp) But if you hate Hp2 nothing is forcing you to pick them =)

Re: Poor quality youth

By douglaskampl - 02-03-2022 16:24

[BRAU18]
President

Last three exchanges: 1) 3* shooting/speed, 2* play intelligence/keeping, 14 balls. Not amazing, but somewhat reasonable. 2) 2* shooting/stamina, 2* tackling/heading, 16 balls. Probably not worth it. 3) 2* short passing/heading, 1* tackling/play intelligence, 20 balls. Awful, plz go away. And not surprinsingly it's the one with the highest amount of balls.Last three exchanges:

1) 3* shooting/speed, 2* play intelligence/keeping, 14 balls. Not amazing, but somewhat reasonable.

2) 2* shooting/stamina, 2* tackling/heading, 16 balls. Probably not worth it.

3) 2* short passing/heading, 1* tackling/play intelligence, 20 balls. Awful, plz go away. And not surprinsingly it's the one with the highest amount of balls.

Re: Poor quality youth

By douglaskampl - 02-03-2022 16:34

[BRAU18]
President

My starter players at the beginning of the season in termos of amount of balls: 15 21 14 18 16 11 13 14 12 18 After some exchanges: 15 13 17 17 25 (the one I posted above) 15 12 17 The scout report for the 21 one is 2* speed/shooting, 1* heading/keeping. 25 is again 2*. The best scout report was 4* tackling/ball control, 1* keeping/heading for one with 18 balls. The majority of the players were 2*. Apart from this 4* dude, I had four 3* players, which arrived at the club with 13, 13, 15 and 17 balls.My starter players at the beginning of the season in termos of amount of balls:

15
21
14
18
16
11
13
14
12
18

After some exchanges:

15
13
17
17
25 (the one I posted above)
15
12
17

The scout report for the 21 one is 2* speed/shooting, 1* heading/keeping. 25 is again 2*.
The best scout report was 4* tackling/ball control, 1* keeping/heading for one with 18 balls.
The majority of the players were 2*. Apart from this 4* dude, I had four 3* players, which arrived at the club with 13, 13, 15 and 17 balls.

Re: Poor quality youth

By douglaskampl - 02-03-2022 16:37

[BRAU18]
President

…and that was up to week 6. After that, I stopped caring, but I remember getting the last three ones from the exchange, lots of 2* again, one with 3* tackling/2* stamina and one with 4* keeping and 2* speed/stamina, 15 balls. It's very hard to get a flawless player, but they do appear from to time to time.…and that was up to week 6. After that, I stopped caring, but I remember getting the last three ones from the exchange, lots of 2* again, one with 3* tackling/2* stamina and one with 4* keeping and 2* speed/stamina, 15 balls.

It's very hard to get a flawless player, but they do appear from to time to time.

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 02-03-2022 17:32

Youth pulls have been horrific overall for me. Unsure what a successful pull rate would look like however. 1 or 2 a season? I prefer 4hp and 2LP of course without bc,pass,stam,speed or PI in LP if possible. Really hard to get these so maybe my criteria is too much. I look to promote youth players at 18 with 35balls+ this is my indicator to know if he's training well enough etc. But in recent seasons the players have been awful.Youth pulls have been horrific overall for me.

Unsure what a successful pull rate would look like however. 1 or 2 a season?

I prefer 4hp and 2LP of course without bc,pass,stam,speed or PI in LP if possible. Really hard to get these so maybe my criteria is too much.

I look to promote youth players at 18 with 35balls+ this is my indicator to know if he's training well enough etc.

But in recent seasons the players have been awful.

Re: Poor quality youth

By swaan1 - 02-03-2022 20:02

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I think people dont understand the maths when you say you are unlucky. This is stated as facts from the news [b][u]HP[/u] 4 stars: ~4% [u]LP[/u] 1 star: ~53% 2 stars: ~47%[/b] This combined will make it to around 2% Chance to get a 4hp/2lp player To get a 4 hp lp 2 without SPEED STAM PI BACLLCONTROLL as Lp is around 0.7% Let round it up to 1% for easier maths. ( this means you have to look at 100 youths before you get a realy good player) if you have an average amount of youths, you get around 8 new a year. + 9 changes in the start of the season then. 11x3=33 for the rest of the exchange in a season. So a total of 33+8+9=50 Chances for youth players. ( if you get more youths in the start you get a few more chanses but you will get less the next year etc) Average pullrate for a 4/2 with decent Hp should be around 2 seasons between players that are of the" highest qualtity" . Then we have to take into account variance is a force to count on. so if you dont get a HP4/lp2 player with good qualtity in 4-5 seasons then you are unlucky, before that you are well in the "normal range" of luck.I think people dont understand the maths when you say you are unlucky.
This is stated as facts from the news
HP
4 stars: ~4%
LP
1 star: ~53%
2 stars: ~47%
This combined will make it to around 2% Chance to get a 4hp/2lp player

To get a 4 hp lp 2 without SPEED STAM PI BACLLCONTROLL as Lp is around 0.7% Let round it up to 1% for easier maths. ( this means you have to look at 100 youths before you get a realy good player)

if you have an average amount of youths, you get around 8 new a year. + 9 changes in the start of the season then. 11x3=33 for the rest of the exchange in a season. So a total of 33+8+9=50 Chances for youth players. ( if you get more youths in the start you get a few more chanses but you will get less the next year etc)

Average pullrate for a 4/2 with decent Hp should be around 2 seasons between players that are of the" highest qualtity" . Then we have to take into account variance is a force to count on. so if you dont get a HP4/lp2 player with good qualtity in 4-5 seasons then you are unlucky, before that you are well in the "normal range" of luck.

Re: Poor quality youth

By swaan1 - 02-03-2022 20:03

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*if you want quick training speed on top of this and/or High ball count when they arrive your odds are even worse =)*if you want quick training speed on top of this and/or High ball count when they arrive your odds are even worse =)

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 04-03-2022 00:42

Hi Swaan. I currently have 5 4HP players out of 23. 1 is going to be sacked for reference. I'm fully aware my preferences are too exact. So out of 23 players I only have 1 players that is 2HP and 2LP. So overall he's my lowest potential player but his HP is stam and speed. Every other player is 3 or 4 HP. Then majority are 2 LP. However I do have 1 4HP and 1LP. He's going to be sacked however. Then I have around 5 or 6 3HP and 1LP. But they have all been pulled last season and this. Most of them won't make the grade most likely. 1LP is suicide for almost all players imo.Hi Swaan.

I currently have 5 4HP players out of 23. 1 is going to be sacked for reference.

I'm fully aware my preferences are too exact.

So out of 23 players I only have 1 players that is 2HP and 2LP. So overall he's my lowest potential player but his HP is stam and speed.

Every other player is 3 or 4 HP. Then majority are 2 LP. However I do have 1 4HP and 1LP. He's going to be sacked however.

Then I have around 5 or 6 3HP and 1LP. But they have all been pulled last season and this. Most of them won't make the grade most likely.

1LP is suicide for almost all players imo.

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 08-03-2022 01:22

Just pulled a potential world class player. 4HP Speed and BC 2 HP head and tack. However he has a combined total of 5 balls in the relevant skills I require lol. Going be hard work training this guy.Just pulled a potential world class player.

4HP Speed and BC
2 HP head and tack.

However he has a combined total of 5 balls in the relevant skills I require lol. Going be hard work training this guy.

Re: Poor quality youth

By evosa - 08-03-2022 08:05

[LEGEND]

Dont rise the expetation bar too high → my experience tells me that even if you manage to get a decent 4/2 player, then most likely there will be at least one skill that will be bad regardless of stars. Remember that to be a [u]world class[/u] player in MZ all the skills need to be min.9 with at 10s! Remember that we are talking about real world class players. Example of world class player that I quickly found with open skills: https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210141550&tid=104065

k33n3y wrote:

Just pulled a potential world class player.

4HP Speed and BC
2 HP head and tack.

However he has a combined total of 5 balls in the relevant skills I require lol. Going be hard work training this guy.

Dont rise the expetation bar too high → my experience tells me that even if you manage to get a decent 4/2 player, then most likely there will be at least one skill that will be bad regardless of stars. Remember that to be a world class player in MZ all the skills need to be min.9 with at 10s! Remember that we are talking about real world class players.

Example of world class player that I quickly found with open skills:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210141550&tid=104065

Sv: Poor quality youth

By freddemand - 08-03-2022 08:52

[TDF]

Holy smokes...

evosa wrote:

Example of world class player that I quickly found with open skills:
https://www.managerzone.com/?p=players&pid=210141550&tid=104065

Holy smokes...

Sv: Poor quality youth

By freddemand - 08-03-2022 08:53

[TDF]

U could try one of your training chips on him? Either Lp or Shooting I guess..

k33n3y wrote:

Just pulled a potential world class player.

4HP Speed and BC
2 HP head and tack.

However he has a combined total of 5 balls in the relevant skills I require lol. Going be hard work training this guy.

U could try one of your training chips on him? Either Lp or Shooting I guess..

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 08-03-2022 21:34

I'm feeling shooting is the way forward. His LP Tackling will make him a useless midI'm feeling shooting is the way forward. His LP Tackling will make him a useless mid

Re: Poor quality youth

By douglaskampl - 08-03-2022 22:08

[BRAU18]
President

You should train him as a winger. He will get to 10 on speed, ball control and aerial passing. Trust me. I have hacked the servers and got that info especially for you. This player will actually revolutionize your entire club. You will finally surrender to wing play.

k33n3y wrote:

I'm feeling shooting is the way forward. His LP Tackling will make him a useless mid

You should train him as a winger. He will get to 10 on speed, ball control and aerial passing. Trust me. I have hacked the servers and got that info especially for you. This player will actually revolutionize your entire club. You will finally surrender to wing play.

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 09-03-2022 00:07

Lol So a winger with 10 in Speed, BC and Aerial would be a commodity? Would he not need 8+ stam,PI and Pass also?Lol

So a winger with 10 in Speed, BC and Aerial would be a commodity?

Would he not need 8+ stam,PI and Pass also?

Sv: Poor quality youth

By freddemand - 09-03-2022 07:05

[TDF]

10 in thise three would make a propper star. Pi u will hope goes high as well. Subbing wingers at, lets say, half time is a common thing. Pass would be a bonus. Pure winger without, a short pass option as well, with it. Here, a good example of how an HP4/L2 can turn out 😭 Useless abovd u18 now. Not as good talents as yours though. [fpl=218621920] Green = HP4 Yellow = L2

k33n3y wrote:

Lol

So a winger with 10 in Speed, BC and Aerial would be a commodity?

Would he not need 8+ stam,PI and Pass also?

10 in thise three would make a propper star. Pi u will hope goes high as well. Subbing wingers at, lets say, half time is a common thing. Pass would be a bonus. Pure winger without, a short pass option as well, with it.

Here, a good example of how an HP4/L2 can turn out 😭 Useless abovd u18 now. Not as good talents as yours though.

Victor Lindeløf

Age: 26

Green = HP4
Yellow = L2

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 09-03-2022 14:44

So the consensus is I should train this guy as winger and cash in? Hope he hits 9 or 10 in Aerial and +8 PI. He will snapped up for millions?So the consensus is I should train this guy as winger and cash in?

Hope he hits 9 or 10 in Aerial and +8 PI.

He will snapped up for millions?

Sv: Poor quality youth

By freddemand - 09-03-2022 16:02

[TDF]

If he does, he will be worth something. If lp fails, try shooting.If he does, he will be worth something. If lp fails, try shooting.

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 09-03-2022 16:53

What do you mean by LP fails fred?What do you mean by LP fails fred?

Sv: Poor quality youth

By freddemand - 10-03-2022 14:36

[TDF]

If he max early in lp.

k33n3y wrote:

What do you mean by LP fails fred?

If he max early in lp.

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 11-03-2022 02:28

Why would you waste precious training time on his LPs in this instance?Why would you waste precious training time on his LPs in this instance?

Sv: Poor quality youth

By freddemand - 11-03-2022 09:41

[TDF]

Lp = Long pass 😄Lp = Long pass 😄

Re: Poor quality youth

By k33n3y - 12-03-2022 01:07

Thanks Fred. I'll aim for max in Aerial and see how he gets on. Failing Aerial I can push Shooting and see if he'll be a top striker for me.Thanks Fred. I'll aim for max in Aerial and see how he gets on.

Failing Aerial I can push Shooting and see if he'll be a top striker for me.

 

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